Amos

No problem Jobar, in fact, I can fry all protestants with Macbeth alone but must go to Coriolanus to make a point for your benefit if you promise not to be offended by it).

Coriolanus is a Divine Comedy that takes place in Rome (the battle actually takes place in Corioli just outside of Rome for good reason). There are three females involved to make this happen. MacBeth is a Senecan Tragedy and is really a divine comedy-in-becoming untill things go wrong. That is to say, if resurrection follows the tragic moment it will be a Divine Comedy and if it does not follow the crisis moment it will be a tragedy. Since God never had anything to do with such events they are called Senecan Tragedies. Now you have to know Seneca to understand this but that is not as part of this.

The three females of Coriolanus were Valeria who stands for valor, Virgilia stands for virgin and Volumnia stands for the volume of infinity. These three females were the witches that foreshadowed the tragedy of Macbeth and combined are personified with Lady Macbeth who therefore hath no name but Lady Macbeth. Combined they were the effective cause of the agony in the mind of Macbeth and were responsible for the tragedy of Macbeth. In Coriolanus they were the effective cause that led to the comedy. It is divine because Volumnia is in charge while Virgilia did her work in "good faith" as virgin. In Macbeth they were at the forefront because Virgilia had been raped and was the snake that had been scorched instead of killed. You must here go into Catholic theolgy where Mary (Virgilia) holds the serpent trampled underfoot after it was defeated by Michael Mary until after crucifixion and resurrection when the serpent is raised (the Assumption of Mary).

So my favorite line "we've scorched the snake, not killed it. She'll close and be herself, whilst our poor malice remains in danger of her former tooth" (III,ii,13-16) comes into play because instead of a fish MacBeth was given a scorpion and since if one demon remains many more will return his mind was now loaded with scorpions: "O, full of scorpions is my mind, dear wife!" (III,ii,37). The reason for this is that MacBeth wanted to be "King hereafter" (as in "born again") as was told by one of the three witches earlier (I,iii,51).

There you have it and I hope it makes some sense to you.

Amos

Edited to add that the vengence of Mary (who is he greater serpent) is equal to drinking of the wine of Gods wrath . . . (Rev.14:10) which is the reverse of the wedding in Cana where Mary was head master of ceremonies.

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Amos

Nah, I like it this way much better. Give 'm some rope and that's all that is needed at this stage.

Sephiroth

I read Macbeth. Saying you can fry Protestants with Macbeth is as accurate as saying fire beats water. Amos, believe it or not, not every book has a hidden message that disproves Protestantism.

sullster

"Out damned protestant! Out!": original line from Macbeth that was written by William Shakespeare. His editor Rodney Smith, said,"Come on Bill, you can't be so bloody obvious here, rewrite this". So William wrote,"Out damned spot!". Rodney was happy.

Amos

Millions of people read Macbeth and most agree with you or the play would have never survived.

Thanks for proving my point.

Sephiroth

Unbacked assertions do not fly with me. Besides, if Protestantism is wrong, then by extension, so is Catholicism.

Orpheous99

Exactly, they all are wrong. The funny thing is is that they both worship the same god, it is only irrelevant nonsense which separates them.

Amos

The wrong of protestantism is relative and so is the wrong of Catholicism (so you should take my "burning of protestants" in humor). The point Shakespeare makes is what I always argue and defend here with the difference between Coriolanus and MacBeth. In case you did not know, I argue that heaven is for Catholics only. This does not mean that I hold that all Catholics go to heaven not does it mean that all protestants go to hell.

Critics do agree that Coriolanus and Macbeth are both salvation stories but they fail to realize that one is a comedy and the other is a tragedy.

My points are not just "assertions" and I did give you sufficient back-up for it. To go further I would have to write more and this would complicate things forever more. It always does because then I would first have to name Macbeth's allies and point out that he was an apostle short to entertain a Divine Comedy.

Amos

Amos

The name of the game is not worship but seeking undestanding.