Nowhere357

Hi Rad.

Why do you ask? Is it relevant to my point? In what way?

Radorth

I just did contradict it. A good God is a just God. Sin deserves punishment. Eternal sin demands eternal punishment. And I have no problem imagining Stalin in hell demanding this and that, cursing God and finding fault with everything and everybody but himself, just as he did on earth. In fact I've heard at least two atheists say they would never admit God was right. One has said he might pony up, albeit for the wrong reasons. And perhaps they were some of the more honest ones.

Rad

lpetrich

An omnipotent being could easily reprogram such troublesome people to behave perfectly. By not doing so, such a being would consent by default to those people's actions.

lpetrich

Why does ANYTHING deserve punishment when one can reprogram the offenders so that they never misbehave again?

Nowhere357

I'm sorry you're angry, Rad. But I hope you realize that I am not resposible for the actions of others.

Anyway, I don't disagree with these two statements. Although "sin" hasn't been defined.

This makes no sense to me. I assume "sin" refers to the actions or behaviors of people. There are no eternal actions or behaviors of people, so there is no eternal sin.

Perhaps you should define "sin".

If hell was reserved for mean and cruel people, you MAY have a point. Debatable. Do you claim only mean and cruel people go to hell?

Atheists do not believe god exists, so it would be non-sensical to assume they could admit god was anything at all. Perhaps you are asking the wrong questions.

No, you have not.
First, you need to define "sin".

mike_decock

A crucifix is an instrument of torture. Putting electric chairs or guillotines in public places would be in poor taste, right? The religion it symbolizes is also offensive to me. I hope you can understand that.

Got me one of them TiVo thingies. I just zip through those commercials and watch only the shows I like .

Work? Dang, I forgot what I was there for .

I talk to the Christians, Mormons, Pagans, Theists and Atheists alike.

-Mike...

spurly

If God did this, he would be negating our free will. This is something he refuses to do. He wants us to choose to love him, and part of loving him is obedience - "If you love me, you will obey my commands".

We are not robots to be reprogrammed. We are people with whom God desires a relationship of love.

Kevin

Starboy

Spurly, more Christian lies and propaganda? If your purported god wished to preserve our "free will" there would no commandments.

Starboy

mike_decock

Please love me... OR ELSE!!!

That's sickening, Keving. Truly sickening.

-Mike...

Radorth

Re: Ip

You mean kinda like you claim Christian ministers do? I thought you were against such reprogramming.

How about if he gives us a "new nature"? Does that qualify?

Thanks for the help.

Re MDC

It's offensive to me as well, but it is also on private property. I suspect you would defend an "artist" putting Christ upside down in a jar of urine on PUBLIC PROPERTY at my expense is fine though. Right? Ah yes, let's do remove everything from the earth which somebody finds offensive. Agreed?

Re: Nowhere

Why I'm not in the least, and find your comment rather presumptious and patronizing. Was I being particularly sarcastic with you?

Taking responsibility for your own sins will be fine. The question is whether you agree with God's commandments and limits as found in the Sermon on the Mount, and whether you will disobey them eternally. Many atheists have suggested they will, even if the Bible turns out to be true, and there is only one way to escape the penallty.

All sin stems from pride and rebellion, which is the "original" sin and the source of all others. It does not have to be a specific action.

No, I but I do claim its inhabitants will be incorrigible hypercrites and hypocrites and those who refuse to obey God, ever. You're evading the point I think.

But they are saying that even if he does, even if he turns out to be Christ himself, they will never obey him.

OK let's stop beating around the bush. If it turns ot Christ is God, would you accept his offer and agree to obey him, to be reprogrammmed (as it were) with a "new nature" or not?

(I'll go out on a limb and predict we will now see what this question usually engenders, i.e, inane responses and evasive maneuvers).

Rad