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Sandy · 03-08-2002, 09:36 AM

Speech before Senate this week by Senator James Inhofe offering reasons why Israel is entitled to possess the Holy Land.
<a href="http://www.cbn.com./cbnnews%2Fnews%2F020308c%2Easp" target="_blank">Click here: CBN News - Senate Floor Statement by U.S. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla)</a>

[ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

Sandy · 03-08-2002, 09:37 AM

Alright, one of these days I'll learn how to post sites....for speech before Senate by James Inhofe go to <a href="http://www.cbn.com." target="_blank">www.cbn.com.</a>

Toto · 03-08-2002, 09:55 AM

The easy way to post a site - have the site you want to reference open in a separate window. Click on the button below this box that says URL. Copy the URL at the top of the window you want to reference into that box, hit enter, then give it a title.

Inhofe has 7 reasons why Isreal should exist. The first six are a combination of secular and not totally off the wall reasons - history, strategy, humanitarian concerns for the victims of the Holocaust. But then he gets to number 7:

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No. 7, I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel; that it has a right to the land. This is the most important reason: Because God said so. As I said a minute ago, look it up in the book of Genesis. It is right up there on the desk.

In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says:

The Lord said to Abram, "Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever. ..... Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee."

That is God talking.

The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, "I am giving you this land," — the West Bank.

This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.

Sandy · 03-08-2002, 10:44 AM

Toto,

Thanks for the info. Looks easy enough...we'll see...<laughs>.

James AD · 03-08-2002, 10:58 AM

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Originally quoted by Toto:
This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.

And the land will flow with blood and tears.

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ex-idaho · 03-08-2002, 08:30 PM

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No. 1. All the archeological evidence supports it.

Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. They have been there for a long time. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture--there are other people, groups that are there, but there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years.

If we use this criteria then we have no right to the land we currently inhabit. The native Americans occupied this land as far back as 20,000 years ago and archeology proves it.

Answerer · 03-08-2002, 08:51 PM

Haha idaho, you are right in some points. Actually, I don't think that any land belonged to anyone in the first place. It is not as if the name of the race that would inhabited the land was being written a upon it since the creation of Earth. But yet there are so many people fighting over a piece of thing that didn't belonged to any of them in the first place.
Anyway, the Jews wiped out the original inhabitants of Israel, the canaanites, and they did this in the name of their God whom they claimed had given the land Israel to them. So, they are not much difference from the muslims who drove them away and claimed the land for themselves.
This article seem to be just another political ploy to attract more support for anti-terrorism rather than more understanding of our Jewish friends.

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Pomp · 03-09-2002, 10:25 AM

idaho,

If we use this criteria then we have no right to the land we currently inhabit. The native Americans occupied this land as far back as 20,000 years ago and archeology proves it.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Also, we seemes to be confusing "reasons that Israel has the right to their land" with "reasons I would like to see Israel keep their land." How does Israel's status as a "strategic ally of the United States" grant any special land rights?

03-09-2002, 12:44 PM

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Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world. The first Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites.

This is horse turds. Obviously there has been a lot of mixing in the middle east, but the modern Egyptians are genetically close to the ancient ones, even though they now speak Arabic and to some extent think of themselves as Arabs. As a result of the diaspora, you now get some blond, blue-eyed Jews.

I also like this one:

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They vote with us in the United Nations more than England

that would not be difficult, since England doesn't have a vote in the UN -- it isn't a member.

[ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: DMB ]

Answerer · 03-09-2002, 07:17 PM

Maybe that they should test whether the Jews are pure breeds or not after all.

03-08-2002, 09:36 AM	#1
Sandy Junior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 45	Seperation??????? Speech before Senate this week by Senator James Inhofe offering reasons why Israel is entitled to possess the Holy Land. <a href="http://www.cbn.com./cbnnews%2Fnews%2F020308c%2Easp" target="_blank">Click here: CBN News - Senate Floor Statement by U.S. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla)</a> [ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]</p>

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03-08-2002, 09:37 AM	#2
Sandy Junior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 45	Alright, one of these days I'll learn how to post sites....for speech before Senate by James Inhofe go to <a href="http://www.cbn.com." target="_blank">www.cbn.com.</a>

03-08-2002, 10:44 AM	#4
Sandy Junior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 45	Toto, Thanks for the info. Looks easy enough...we'll see...<laughs>.

03-08-2002, 08:51 PM	#7
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Haha idaho, you are right in some points. Actually, I don't think that any land belonged to anyone in the first place. It is not as if the name of the race that would inhabited the land was being written a upon it since the creation of Earth. But yet there are so many people fighting over a piece of thing that didn't belonged to any of them in the first place. Anyway, the Jews wiped out the original inhabitants of Israel, the canaanites, and they did this in the name of their God whom they claimed had given the land Israel to them. So, they are not much difference from the muslims who drove them away and claimed the land for themselves. This article seem to be just another political ploy to attract more support for anti-terrorism rather than more understanding of our Jewish friends. <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

03-09-2002, 10:25 AM	#8
Pomp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indianapolis area Posts: 3,468	idaho, If we use this criteria then we have no right to the land we currently inhabit. The native Americans occupied this land as far back as 20,000 years ago and archeology proves it. That's exactly what I was thinking. Also, we seemes to be confusing "reasons that Israel has the right to their land" with "reasons I would like to see Israel keep their land." How does Israel's status as a "strategic ally of the United States" grant any special land rights?

03-09-2002, 07:17 PM	#10
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Maybe that they should test whether the Jews are pure breeds or not after all.

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