Totalitarianist

Thankfully the idea that it is necessary to have an understanding of procreation before engaging therein has been discarded.
Sexual molestation. Many people do not make a distinction between child molestation and paedophilia.

Just as an heterosexual man might rape a woman, so too might a paedoohile molest a young person. However, consensual sexual contact is possible between a man and a woman just as consensual sexual contact is possible between someone over sixteen and someone under thirteen. Molestation and rape say nothing about heterosexuality or paedophilia as sexual preferences.

August Spies

have you had sex? Sex is far more than "just sensations," or at least the implications permeate almost everything.

Totalitarianist

Watching violent films does not directly hurt anyone. But it can create a sadist. Watching sex can create a sex addict, a fetishist, and will certainly in all cases deprave a man's mind.

I disagree that sex is a beautiful act. I agree with Plato, who says that it is quite repulsive. I am not asexual, but it is a repulsive process when one thinks about it.

In my opinion, yes, it should be illegal.

"Does it hurt anyone?" That is not how I determine right and wrong. "Is it undesirable to the majority, is it a repulsive or selfish act?" is how I determine right and wrong.

Totalitarianist

In my opinion, non-procreative and underaged sex is morally incorrect. I am fifteen; few persons of my age have sex. However, I have experienced sex many years ago, and I can safely say that it is an activity whose appeal is the "sensation" element entirely.

Dominus Paradoxum

"A very weak criticism, plus an attack."

And an attack well deserved, I might add.



"In what way exactly does this behavioural "maturity" affect one's ability to comprehend the "sex"situation?"

In what way is "compreheding the situation" the issue? Events are usually labed right or wrong irrespective of whether or not the party "understands" them. Murder, for example, is wrong irrespective of whether or not the victim knows that a crime is being perpetrated. The issue is not whether the child 'understands' the situation, but whether or not they are capable of handling it.



"And what of immature adults whose sexual behaviour is identical to mature adults?"

Adults may be "immature" in certain respects, but are certainly not immature in the same sense a (young) child is unless they have down syndrome. *If* that were the case your response would have merit, but otherwise not. And one major difference is that immature adults still desire and actively seek out to have sex with other adults, while the same is obviously not true of children. For my part, I would not say that the boy involved in the mary kay laterno scandle was 'abused', but that was certainly a rare instance, and he was far too young to handle the responsibility of fatherhood.



"Who is "they"? I thought it was "the person". You mean "the person". "

A quibbile. 'They' is a way of being gender neutral, and while the Usage Panel may reject it, it sounds much less awkward than "he or she".

"1) What is the correct level of maturity with which to make that decision? Perhaps you could tell us the average age at which people reach that level. "

2) Why is that particular level of maturity absolutely necessary for one to be qualified for making decisions of that nature? "

Does I really have to pick a paticular age? Might it not vary from person to person? How about this: They have attained the age of maturity when they fully understand all of the potential consequences of the action and are truly, not just seemingly, capable of handling them.


"3) What exactly is a "bad" decision of this nature on the part of a young person, and what makes it a bad decision? Should he determine his decisions by reason of the possible harmful effects induced thereby?"

Because until he is of the requisite maturity, the decision is not his to make.

Now let me ask you some interesting questions: Would you have sex with a child, if you thought they were old enough to 'compredend' the situation, as you say? What makes you think that *you* are qualified to make this decision? And how old or young would he/she (it?) have to be? Would you allow their parents to know? And what kinds of things would you do? Since you seem to have given so much thought to this matter, I'm sure the answers will come very easily.

I anxiously await your reply .

August Spies

"Is it undesirable to the majority, is it a repulsive or selfish act?" is how I determine right and wrong.

I would say the majority finds porn desirable.

and he way far to young to handle the responsibility of fatherhood.

important point.

Dominus Paradoxum

P.S. Thanks August for alerting me to my misspellings .

Happy Wonderer

I predict you will change your mind on that subject in somewhere between two to seven years (if you are fifteen.) Don't worry about it and don't let any social situation push you into 'doing it' before it feels right. It is quite different when you are a) older and b) in a real relationship.

Given the state of our medical technology, if people were forced not to use birth control, the would would be knee-deep in people in -- wait, it is already knee-deep in people!

200 years is a pretty absurd sentence, it shows how a certain crime can become politicized way beyond reason. (The same is true of many drug crimes.) As pointed out, actual rapists get far less terms (sometimes as little as five years or less.) To me, this shows something of a problem with priorities, either that or a complete disregard for the worth of women.

The teenage creep who tried to rape my four-year-old neice got no jail time, just 'counsuling'. (It was in a church daycare, too, but that is another story -- thank the IPU that my brother in-law is pretty sharp and 'had a feeling that something wasn't right...' Now if only he would give up this Christian crap...)

hw

emphryio

Thanks for replying Totalitarian.
Sure it can be. Anything can be depending on how you think about it.

So what pleasure is OK in your book?

You seem quite stoic. My father believes depriving himself of ANY physical pleasure makes him stronger and doing such gives him great happiness. Is that where you're coming from?

Personally I think humans should face the fact that they have an animal side and indulge it from time to time.

But maybe it is unproductive sometimes. The key is trying to always make it a productive process. Something that positively affects your life. (And eating, having sex can be positive experiences.) Watching others can also be a positive experience just as watching people do many other things can be positive.
(Just doesn't happen too often concerning sex in this particular reality.)

Totalitarianist

Well, I thought it was interesting that you chose to say this:

Maturity is something that only comes with years of experience. Even child progidies still act like children.[/quote]

LOL! Now you are comaring sex to murder.

Obviously no one is capable of handling being murdered. But who is capable of experiencing sex? My sources say nearly everything.
That is a good point. However, I am sure many adults, both mature and immature, do not actively seek sex with anyone. Does this make them incapable of having sex? Or rather, does this make them incapable of consenting?
I do not know what you are talking about.

I say "he".

[quote]"1) What is the correct level of maturity with which to make that decision? Perhaps you could tell us the average age at which people reach that level. "

2) Why is that particular level of maturity absolutely necessary for one to be qualified for making decisions of that nature? "

No.

Which is why I said the average age.

Name one negative, potential consequence of said action. Note: you must exclude all cases of molestation.

This has been dealt with previously. What if he is twelve and is nevertheless of the requisite maturity?

Probably not. I am more interested in osculation.

The same can be said about any relationship.

What do you mean? Are you asking what age is "too young" (morally), or what ages I prefer?

I would not do it in the first place, and, well, given how much I am hated by nearly everone, I think it would be advisable, if I were to do it, to not have anyone know about it. My parents think I am sexually immature, because, as far as they know, I have expressed no sexual interest in anything, for the consequences of doing so would be quite undesirable. Most likely the consequences of letting their parents know would be twice as bad.

What do you mean "things"?