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The Other Michael · 08-10-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by Ojuice5001
Similarly, even if you understood the details of how the gods control the weather, you still couldn't know what the weather would be without knowing the laws of meteorology, because other factors than the gods' actions are involved.

For one you'd have to factor in the effect of the fluttering of wings by cherubim AND butterflies AND those teeny little wings on Mercury's ankles.

If the gods like order so much, why'd they create so darn much chaos?

cheers,
Michael

hinduwoman · 08-11-2003, 01:32 AM

Hindu rites will do MUCH BETTER than Pope's prayers. That is because last week village women in Uttar Pradesh danced naked in the fields at night invoking tha raingod to let rain fall.
Of course the Lord is going to answer their prayers first!

Ojuice5001 · 08-11-2003, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by The Other Michael
For one you'd have to factor in the effect of the fluttering of wings by cherubim AND butterflies AND those teeny little wings on Mercury's ankles.

If the gods like order so much, why'd they create so darn much chaos?

cheers,
Michael

Yes, you've got the right idea. And the reason the natural and supernatural universes are chaotic is that reality is multiple in nature rather than singular.

I think when you look at anything, you almost always find that it has multiple parts and multiple aspects. When people didn't know about astronomy, they thought the stars were dots of a homogenous glowing substance, but now we know that stars change constantly and aren't too much more homogenous than the earth's atmosphere--which we also thought was only one substance. The physicists may find an indivisible particle someday, but they were wrong about the electron being one and it looks like the same goes for the quark. And that's just a couple of relatively simple entities--think of how complex all of reality must be. That's one reason I reject naturalism, which suffers from a different form of the monotheists' drive to make the universe unified.

Regarding the intentions of the gods, they like order (well, a majority do), but utterly disagree on what kind of order there should be.

mark9950 · 08-11-2003, 07:20 PM

I will be cooking leg of lamb tomorrow.

08-12-2003, 01:32 AM

We're having a barbie for 10 people beside our swimming pool tonight. Does that mean it will rain into our pool?

Doctor X · 08-12-2003, 01:43 AM

Hinduwoman:

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That is because last week village women in Uttar Pradesh danced naked in the fields at night invoking tha raingod to let rain fall.

Of course the Lord is going to answer their prayers first!

NO FAIR!!!

You know that the image of Pope John Paul II dancing . . . er . . . well . . . flopping about naked would probably result in a rain of squid!

--J.D.

Volker.Doormann · 08-12-2003, 02:12 AM

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Pope Urges Prayer for Rain in Europe

CASTEL GANDOLFO, Italy - Pope John Paul II urged people to pray for rain Sunday to ease Europe's seemingly relentless heat wave and expressed worry about the wildfires devouring much of the continent's woodlands. "I invite all to join in my prayers for the victims of this calamity, and I exhort all to raise to the Lord fervent entreaties so that he may grant the relief of rain to the thirsty earth," John Paul said.

Aah, why people care about this man's talking about giving water to the nature, if they are confused enough.

"Come, let us pray today" Jesus answered in GOT � What then is the sin that I have done, or wherein have I been vanquished? ... if you pray, you will be condemned �.

crocodile deathroll · 08-12-2003, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by sakrilege
What is disgusting is that when it does finally rain, which is inevitable, they will claim victory.

No doubt they will, rather like the rooster claiming the credit for the sunrise.
One thing for certain, many religious people would look back in history and observe the time when the most people were praying for a break in the drought, the drought broke. So they then confuse reason by association and reasoning by cause and effect. They then attribute a kind of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc resoning to their claim that prayer really works.

CDR

Shake · 08-14-2003, 07:13 AM

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What is disgusting is that when it does finally rain, which is inevitable, they will claim victory.

I'm gonna pray for SNOW just to fuck with them!

tee hee!

SignOfTheCross · 08-14-2003, 09:13 PM

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What is disgusting is that when it does finally rain, which is inevitable, they will claim victory.

No, we'll just be thankful.

Peace,
SOTC

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hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	Hindu rites will do MUCH BETTER than Pope's prayers. That is because last week village women in Uttar Pradesh danced naked in the fields at night invoking tha raingod to let rain fall. Of course the Lord is going to answer their prayers first!

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