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Totalitarianist · 05-17-2003, 10:17 PM

http://bible.christiansunite.com/Nav.../ntb0965.shtml

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Leviticus 26, verse 29
29: And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

Deuteronomy 28, verses 53 - 57
53: And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54: So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
55: So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56: The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
57: And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

2 Kings 6, verses 28 , 29
28: And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.
29: So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

Jeremiah 19, verse 9
9: And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.

Lamentations 2, verse 20
20: Behold, O LORD, and consider to whom thou hast done this. Shall the women eat their fruit, and children of a span long? shall the priest and the prophet be slain in the sanctuary of the Lord?

Lamentations 4, verse 10
10: The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people.

Ezekiel 5, verse 10
10: Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

Rousseau_CHN · 05-17-2003, 11:07 PM

I haven't read those O.T. crap about cannibalism.

But I hear a lot about N.T. cannibalism especially during mass.

Take this all of you, and eat it. This is my body...which will be given to you so that sins will be forgiven...do this in memory of me.

Yum yum...

Sarpedon · 05-18-2003, 06:35 AM

To be perfectly fair: child eating during a siege (or any other shortness of food) was a fairly common practice. Evolutionarily speaking, it always makes more sense to sacrifice young offspring to save adults. This is common enough in the animal kingdom.

But I guess the monotheists were the only ones depraved enough to put it in their holy books.

Rational BAC · 05-18-2003, 07:45 AM

It does help to show things from the Bible in context.

Are all those passages concerning sieges?

If so, I guess there were a lot of sieges in the OT.

Starvation can make everybody do things they never think they could do. Theist or non-theist makes no difference that way.

Writer@Large · 05-18-2003, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
It does help to show things from the Bible in context.

And in context, some of them are even creepier ...

LEVITICUS 26:29 is spoken by Yahweh to Moses on Mount Saini ["The LORD said to Moses on Mount Sinai," LEV 25:1]. In LEV 26 he's laying out rewards for obedience, and punishments for disobedience. Here's context ...

'If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. 31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled.

This is part of a LONG list of nasty shit Yahweh will visit upon the Israelites if they don't obey.

DEUTERONOMY 28 is indeed talking about a siege ["And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body [...] in the siege"] but, get this: it is a siege sent by Yahweh, once again part of a long list of nasty shit Yahweh will inflict upon the Israelites if they don't obey. Check out this context:

The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the LORD your God is giving you.

53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.

2 Kings 6 is indeed relating events taking place during a siege.

Jeremiah 19, verse 9 is Yahweh threatening people again: this time, through the prophet Jeremiah. ["This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Listen! I am going to bring a disaster on this place that will make the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle!"]

Lamentations 2 & 4 are prayers, asking Yahweh for help. The context is: "We're so desperate, whadda ya want us to do, eat our kids? Send help, ya bastard!"

Ezekiel 5, verse 10 is, once again, threatening the people of Israel for disobediance. This time, he's speaking like he *means* it ...

Yea, what a loving god these Christians worship.

--W@L

Never · 05-18-2003, 09:33 AM

<puts hands over eyes>
Nice guy that Yahweh or whoever he was. Glad I skipped reading that piece of *fiction*.

sphinx wui · 05-18-2003, 11:33 AM

http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/b...ic_history.htm

1098 A Christian state was established in Edessa by the Crusader king, Baldwin I. In December of this year, Crusader forces led by Raymond de Saint Gilles, Count of Toulousse, and Bohemond, the Frankish governor of Antioch massacred the entire population of the Syrian town of Ma'arra al-Numan (10,000 people). The starving crusaders cannibalized some of their victims. Go to First Crusade for more.

Omar

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05-17-2003, 11:07 PM	#2
Rousseau_CHN Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nowhere Land Posts: 441	I haven't read those O.T. crap about cannibalism. But I hear a lot about N.T. cannibalism especially during mass. Take this all of you, and eat it. This is my body...which will be given to you so that sins will be forgiven...do this in memory of me. Yum yum...

05-18-2003, 06:35 AM	#3
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	To be perfectly fair: child eating during a siege (or any other shortness of food) was a fairly common practice. Evolutionarily speaking, it always makes more sense to sacrifice young offspring to save adults. This is common enough in the animal kingdom. But I guess the monotheists were the only ones depraved enough to put it in their holy books.

05-18-2003, 07:45 AM	#4
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	It does help to show things from the Bible in context. Are all those passages concerning sieges? If so, I guess there were a lot of sieges in the OT. Starvation can make everybody do things they never think they could do. Theist or non-theist makes no difference that way.

05-18-2003, 09:33 AM	#6
Never Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: OH Posts: 5,266	<puts hands over eyes> Nice guy that Yahweh or whoever he was. Glad I skipped reading that piece of fiction.

05-18-2003, 11:33 AM	#7
sphinx wui Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: egypt Posts: 253	http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/b...ic_history.htm 1098 A Christian state was established in Edessa by the Crusader king, Baldwin I. In December of this year, Crusader forces led by Raymond de Saint Gilles, Count of Toulousse, and Bohemond, the Frankish governor of Antioch massacred the entire population of the Syrian town of Ma'arra al-Numan (10,000 people). The starving crusaders cannibalized some of their victims. Go to First Crusade for more. Omar

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