meeee

Oh and something else, Some one mentioned that Hitler was somesort of religous person, sorry but Hitler is one of yours. he was into Darwinism. That is not RRP that is fact.

Vorkosigan

Hitler was most definitely a theist; he was raised Catholic and attended Church until after the First World War. He revered Jesus, but had only contempt for Christianity. He instituted school prayer and supported the Church in his early years, though later he began to attack it. In any case, his religious views were not really very important relative to his German nationalist views. Hitler was not into Darwinism, but Social Darwinism, a different philosophy.

Looks like Godwin's Law has now been invoked twice in Meee's last three posts.

What point do you want to make exactly, Meee?

Vorkosigan

meeee

When Hitler turned to being An Atheist is when He started his Path of Murder, When He embraced Free Thinking "There is no God" then he embarked on his mission.

This is the same through History. When any Leader has let Himself fall from the truth, even though they still embrace a form of religion, they commit murder in the name of Christ/God, and now present day Free Thinkers say "if there is a God he is evil" To blame God for mans historic mistakes and call him "evil" is wrong. He has given every chance to everyone to change,


Did they accept the mercy in Noahs time?

No.

So how is it that God is the murderer, if you refused the only way out?

The point is no one here brings proof that "if God exists he is a Murderer"

David M. Payne

Well, Bob was not willing, so onward atheist and agnostic solders once more into the breech.

Meeee, you are full of sound and fury but you say nothing that hasn't been said much more coherently here before, and refuted many times over in the process. So at the risk of wasting my time here, is God the biggest mass murderer of all time? No, he is a myth, so he didn't kill anyone directly, as the great flood is also a myth. However if he were a real being as his believers believe, then he would be the greatest mass murderer of all time, according to the bible, the torah and the Qur'an. As for proof, it's in your own holy book, if you believe it, Geneses 6-9. Read it and weep. Reliable statistics on the population of the world at the time of the great flood are hard to come by after all, so Hitler, Stalin, and Mao may have had a bigger body count. God was either the biggest mass murderer of all time, or at the least the most efficient mass murderer of all time, or both, if he is real. After all he supposedly wiped out the entire human race except one family, mass murder doesn’t get much more efficient than that, does it? As an example of what not to do when faced with people who aren’t doing what you want them to do, well you can't beat God as the worst example of all can you? After all this kind, benevolent, just, omnipotent God of yours had every imaginable option available to him to change the behavior of his "Flock," and he chose the worst option he had, mass murder when things didn't go his way. What an example to set for his followers! And judging from the way some of his followers have followed his example in their own attempts to murder their way to power over the millenniums, they got the message. It's OK to commit mass murder, as long as you're doing it in the name of God and for the right religion! Now which one is the right religion? Is it Islam? No must be Christianity, or perhaps it's Judaism. Damn! Makes my head hurt trying to figure which one is the real religion of Bob…Uh God.

Anyway Meeee, you have found a home in RR&P, and managed to get my thread split between here and there to boot, congratulations. If you have something interesting and coherent to say, I will respond to it in time. I do other things, so there may be a few days between your posts and my responses. In the mean time any of my fellow freethinkers are free to respond to you. If all you are going to do is preach, your posts will be moved, and you will reap what you sow in RR&P. Nice to have you on board, and good luck.

David

meeee

David

None of them are the right Religion.

Religion is a set of rules that are followed, and not that well I might add.

True religion is not a set of rules.

I believe this is the gap that most will not be able to cross due to looking to much into the face of Religion.

You yourself have studied Religion and came away with an Atheist conviction. Or did you start as an Atheist?

The Historic "Church Leaders" have done an injustice to all humanity in that they have misrepresented God and His true Nature, when you read in the Bible about the Deaths that occured and you are left with "Murderer" as the outcome, then there is an injustice that you have suffered from

How can the Damage be reconciled in the light of all the Anger from both sides?

When faced with Religion it leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth, including mine.

So how do we as humans overcome the situation of Religion?

Do we abandon God?

Do you ever ask yourself "What if?"


David, when I came to this forum I was searching for a forum of believers. Instead I came across this one and I find it to be a challenge.

Vorkosigan

When Hitler turned to being An Atheist is when He started his Path of Murder, When He embraced Free Thinking "There is no God" then he embarked on his mission.

Ummm, Meee, Hitler believed in god. Therefore Hitler was not an atheist. He was certainly never a freethinker. It's quite possible to be a freethinker and believe in gods, Meee. "Freethinker" does not mean "atheist."

This is the same through History. When any Leader has let Himself fall from the truth, even though they still embrace a form of religion, they commit murder in the name of Christ/God, and now present day Free Thinkers say "if there is a God he is evil" To blame God for mans historic mistakes and call him "evil" is wrong. He has given every chance to everyone to change

You ignore the killing that goes on every day due to disease, natural disaster, and the descriptions in the Bible of god's behavior.

Did they accept the mercy in Noahs time?

Did they deserve to die? No.

So how is it that God is the murderer, if you refused the only way out?

Your god is a murderer by definition, if he kills.

And yes, the proof is in the Bible, and in the tens of thousands who die every day from disease and other natural causes. That would include "natural death," which by your account was designed by god.

Vorkosigan

meeee

Where do you get the information that a person does not deserve to Die?

Since the overall topic is really "does God exist" then:
Please explain from the Bible how you came up with this.

Jobar

Meee, while the forum here is about the existence of god(s) overall, David's specific topic is about mass murder. If you want to start a discussion of what it means to 'deserve' to die, start a new thread.

Also, we require threads in this, one of our 'upper' forums, to be polite, sensible, and on a reasonably high intellectual level. If you wish to continue to post here, I strongly suggest you take advantage of our excellent library, and also to at least skim some of the threads which have already been posted here. Familiarize yourself with arguments which have been repeatedly presented, and as often quashed. This will save you embarrassment, and us aggravation.

Vorkosigan

I don't need to explain "from the Bible" since my own personal values, much better than anything found in the Bible, prohibit killing, except in self-defense. So it is easy to see that killing people because their values disagree with yours, regardless of who you are, is wrong.

Vorkosigan

meeee

Just because you insist, I went to your library.

And just pick the first thing that caught my eye.

How is a onesided Library good.

This is the topic I choose and this is the results:
Why are there no "in favor" Threads?