ex-xian

I suppose this is supposed to be your main point. What makes you more qualified than me to decide that whether or not I know what I'm talking about? B/c you actually believe the stuff? Well, then you're not qualified to dismiss the koran...you need to talk to some muslims who actually know what they're talking about.

This is not meant as an insult but rather as pointing to the fact that this is a vast subject that has consumed many lifetimes of study. I am merely suggesting that it would be much wiser to not play the part of the fool and, in ignorance, condemn the koran as "unworthy."

See, it works for anyone...just fill in the blank. Here's another:

This is not meant as an insult but rather as pointing to the fact that this is a vast subject that has consumed many lifetimes of study. I am merely suggesting that it would be much wiser to not play the part of the fool and, in ignorance, condemn the book of mormon as "unworthy."

When one shows up he'll let you know.

Look, just pick out a discrepancy that us sneaky satan lovers use, and open a thread about how we're wrong. We'll be more than happy to engage in pages and pages of "good philosophical discussion."

Jorge

Ah, we have a question...

Unfortunately, Roland, it's the wrong question.

I've gained a bad reputation in a very short time here at II (a strange thing for a bold Christian YEC to face at an infidel site, wouldn't you agree? ). I'll 'tone down' (before I get ousted) and explain in a nice way why it's the wrong question.

Maybe you read my original post. In it I said that my studies have made me aware of over 31,000 alleged problems in the Bible (instead of just the paltry 1,000 or so that are listed at some Bible-scoffing site).

My point is this: suppose I were to respond to your question with my utmost ability and using all of my research notes. Guess what would come next? Here are three possibilities:

1. You'll be convinced that it actually wasn't a "problem", and convert to Jesus Christ right on the spot.

2. You'll not accept my answer altogether or find some fault with it or have some 'yes, but...'

3. You'll accept my answer completely but then hit me with another one of the 29,999 that I'm aware of. Round-n-round she'll go...

Now, my money is on two of the above three (care to guess which two?).

That is why your question is not the right one.

Now, I stand to be corrected if my above analysis seems faulty to you, Roland. Fair enough?

See, I'm not such a bad guy.

Jorge

Mageth

So, in other words, you have the definitive answer for every one of those 31,000 alleged problems, but you won't answer any of them because 1) a miracle may happen and you might win a convert; 2) someone might actually be so bold as to disagree with you; and/or 3) someone might agree with you but ask you another question?

That's pathetic, man.

NOGO

Yes I do.

I know that the Bible is a book of myth written by ignorant ancient priests and has absolutely nothing to do with God.

This is exactly what you believe about evey other Holy Book like the Koran, the buddhist sciptures, the Hindu scriptures etc...

... and funny thing they too have their scholars who have spent all their lives studying these books. Do you think that you know more than they do?

A final thought:
Belief has no direct relation to knowledge.
It is much more related to fear and insecurity.

viscousmemories

I have now compiled a list of over 50,000 refutations to every single feeble point you've attempted to make in your short time at IIDB, Jorge. I have it right here in front of me. Oh!! HAHAAHAAHA. I had almost forgotten about #23,686!! That one was a real knee-slapper.

vm

Cretinist

No one cares.

Then you and the people you have read are brain-dead idiots.

It's quite easy to point out errors and contradictions in the bible. I already gave two indisputable examples.

"everyone else" = Jorge and the idiotic bible worshipping apologists he has read. This is actually quite an easy decision.

Indeed, it does.

Spenser

If you are so tough then rise to the challenge and actually debate! The bible is filled with more errors than one can comprehend. Lets start from the very beginning with God making light before making stars. Hello??? Light in the universe comes from stars. Plus why would a omnipotent being need 7 days (1 of rest) to create everything??? Wouldn't he be able to create anything he wanted instantaneously? Why would he need rest? Can't be that powerful if he needs to take a break...

From your own interpretation of the bible, how old is the universe?

I promise you if you answer this question we'll all make you look stupid. If you don't you just look like a puss...

Roland

Jorge -

In other words, you have no intention of confronting individual examples of possible contradictions.

My question is then, why bother to bring the issue up at all then?

One can only have a substantive debate when someone brings something substantive up.

I have with my question. So what is your substantive response?

Jorge

Originally posted by enrious

My guess is even he didn't study enough, huh Jorge?

That wouldn't be my guess at all, enrious.

My guess would be that Mr. Dan Barker eventually found the way to his heart's true disposition.

Did you know that God tells us (in the Bible) that some people will claim that they were "Christians" and even "performed miracles in His name" and yet He will say to them, "depart from Me, I never knew you."

People have this very nasty habit of lying, even to themselves. Many a "Christian" is out there today that at Judgment Day will be most unpleasantly surprised. God cannot be fooled - the true disposition of the heart is known to Him and it is on this fact alone that a person will stand before God. This applies to us all.

Nonetheless, as I have and always will state, this is a matter for God and only for God to preside over. Mine is just an observation based on the facts before me.

Fair enough, I hope.

Jorge

RevDahlia

No. There are plenty of Christians here with fine reputations, who are respected greatly.

What you describe as "boldness" is, in fact, arrogance -- come on, take a look at the OP! If an atheist addressed you in that tone wouldn't you be a little bit ticked?

Bag the attitude and stick with the issues, and don't get snarky when people are offended by a deliberately offensive series of statements.