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Old 06-27-2003, 08:43 AM   #241
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Red face Jerk? Me???

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I have removed a few lines from two of your posts. Please remember that when you signed up for the IIDB, you agreed to abide by our rules, one of which being:

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Kindly let me know which statements of mine were regarded as JERK by you so that I can be careful in future. Thanks for NOT banning me yet....

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Old 06-27-2003, 08:51 AM   #242
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O' yes........right before I bring out the proof

You stall me....

You fall into a trance and bring about a series of frenzied expression.

You speak not from your head....but from your loins.

Are you intimidated ....


From Fear , you have risen....and to Fear you must return.
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Old 06-27-2003, 08:58 AM   #243
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Talking Murder is GOOD

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To commit murder is wrong. You did advocate it. You said you wanted to be one. Unless you are blowing up boxes of toilet paper or other non human living material then you are indeed advocating murder.

Your comment about NYMC and a couple of others make me wonder if you are in the US even now.
Dear Rose,

Don't I sound silly and stupid when I say MURDER IS GOOD?

Basically, you are unable to understand a very basic principle of universe. You do an evil, you are punished. In the same light, I was referring to any murderer whoever he/she be, he/she will be murdered as a punishment as per Islam except that the relatives of the victim pardon him.

I don't just ADVOCATE such murder, but I have a clear intent to execute it myself if none of the society is brave enough.

Regarding my physical location, well, I am not in USA, I am right now sitting on a chair that is in a room of a rented home situated in Lahore, Pakistan. For more details about my location, phone, and any related contact information, please visit my site http://aatayyab.com. I know NYMC since one of my cousin in NY was operated upon there. And one more thing about me, I am e-marketing to mainly US clients on behalf of my employer in USA since 1997 and USA is the only country in the world that I thought will be my PERMANENT home, but unfortunately, 9/11 and Bush has completely turned me back not only from such future plans but from my very own religion where I used to consider an entity called "ALLAH" worthy enough to give or take life for. I am simply confused and have no way out from my current confusion over the matters of the world today and NON-EXISTANT interference of God, if there is any

Esther, while walking, since childhood, I look down and try to even avoid those ants that may die under my shoes. I am not that kind of JACK THE RIPPER typo matchoman that you are right now envisioning about me, having spread all kinds of detonators, knives, nukes on my dining table and writing these very words to frighten the hell out of you

Love, peace and a lot of respect for you,

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Old 06-27-2003, 09:09 AM   #244
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Default What's your point?

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anyone can say anything for saudi oil money.

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm

Can I say that you've been paid to say what you say......because you are currently endorsing an interim secular "puppet "government in Babylon?


Can I say, that aliens are the progenitors of the hu-man race?


No I can't unless I have physical evidence. Otherwise I am just producing unwarranted stereotypes (and speaking out of my arse). Your words mean nothing unless you provide proof.
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Old 06-27-2003, 09:16 AM   #245
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Default Re: Jerk? Me???

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Kindly let me know which statements of mine were regarded as JERK by you so that I can be careful in future. Thanks for NOT banning me yet....

The rule I quoted was an all-encompassing rule. I wasn't implying that you were being a jerk, as I don't feel you were. However, some of the comments made go just a bit over the border as to advocating violence etc.

You can see the comments I removed by rereading your posts and looking for the {deleted-AV} tags.

As far as banning...it was surely not a bannable offense. The admins here are hesitant to do such a drastic thing when usually it's just a misunderstanding of the rules. If you have any further questions, you can PM me or start a thread in our Bugs, Problems, and Complaints forum.

Hope this clears it up.

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Old 06-27-2003, 09:57 AM   #246
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Default Re: you have'nt seen nothing yet of the scientific scandals of the unholy quran

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the Quran has several Gross scientific errors and nonesence wich led me to disbelieve in it after a long journey of research...and yet these Liars like River use twisted english translations and claim that it has scientific facts foretold ! that is not very strange for the followers of a religion that Says its ok to lie if the purpose is good .


here is more bullshit :

Seest thou not that Allah has made subject to you (men) all that is on the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command? He withholds the sky from failing on the earth except by His leave: for Allah is Most Kind and Most Merciful to man. S. 22:65

(íãÓß ÇáÓãÇÁ Çä ÊÞÚ Úáì ÇáÇÑÖ ÇáÇ ÈÇÐäå)

doesn't that remind you of the old greek idea of Atlas or whatever holding the sky? the only conclusion that can be driven from that that the quran views the sky as a solid object, and this can be assured by reading this verse:

And We have made the heavens as a roof well guarded: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to) ! (21:32)

(æ ÌÚáäÇ ÇáÓãÇÁ ÕÞÝÇ ãÍÝæÙÇ)

because the quran views the sky as a roof that has no "rifts" in it :

Do they not look at the sky above them? How We have made it and adorned it, and there are no rifts in it? (50:6)

wich makes quite clear that the quran views the sky as a solid roof that hasw no rifts in it , otherwise how can it say "look at the sky how it has no rifts in it" while its just VOID?


THE STARS ARE THERE AS MISSLES TO DRIVE AWAY EVIL SPIRITS !!!!


And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with lamps,
and we have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans, ...
-- Sura 67:5
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,
(for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
-- Sura 37:6-8

See also Suras 15:16-18, 55:33-35 etc. which seem to speak about the same thing.

The stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils? In order to not let them eavesdrop on the heavenly coucil? Not exactly a "scientific" world view.




the quran is not any better than the bible.



[ Noble Quran 31:10] He created the heavens without pillars that you can see. He established on earth stabilizers (mountains) lest it tumbles with you, and He spread on it all kinds of creatures. We send down from the sky water to grow all kinds of beautiful plants.

[Noble Quran 31:11] Such is the creation of GOD; show me what the idols you set up beside Him have created. Indeed, the transgressors are far astray.


These verses clearly show (you) that your juvenile "Atlas lifts the world" mindset is at fault. Perhaps you should put aside your outdated mythological beliefs......(Not only this, the role of mountains here clearly demonstrate a geological fact.)
I urge you to drop your mythological worldview. You will have a very difficult time supporting your obstinate belief ------that the sky has holes in it.


And you say, I am the Liar ( arabic : dajjal). I can assure you that the word "missiles" does not appear in the arabic Quranic text. Perhaps , it is you that is trying to lead people away with your lies. Or maybe ....you are not at fault.....Perhaps you believe in a Superior Atlantean Race that had missile technology 1400 years ago. If I have hurt your mythological beliefs, I sincerely apologize. I try to be as sensitive as possible to the beliefs of others, but your belief system is quite archaic. I hope the moderators understand that what I did was not intentional, in any way.
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Old 06-27-2003, 11:31 AM   #247
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THE QURAN SAYS THAT SEMEN IS PRODUCED FROM THE BACKBONE AND RIBS:

[6] He is created from a drop emitted,

[7] Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

(chapter 86)

This statement is Anatomically correct....somewhat generalized but still correct.


Al-Tariq 86: 6 –7 may be translated into simple English as:

“Man should consider what it is that he has been created from. He is created from water (fluid) spurting forth, emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs.”


Even though the male sperm is formed in the testes, the blood supply which, is an essential factor to the making of the sperm comes from between the ribs and the back.


The words of the Qur’an are not scientifically invalid, as the words “emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs”, do not necessarily imply “emanating in its final shape” only, but can also cover “initial emanation”.


Why are the words “Bayen al-Sulb wa al-Taraayib” (i.e. ‘between the ribs and the back’) used in the Qur'an rather than the phrase “Bayena shayin wa shayin” (i.e. between one thing and another) ?

Upon closer inspection of the verse :

Qur’an (Al-Tariq 86: 6 – 8) says:

“Man should consider what it is that he has been created from. He is created from water (fluid) spurting forth, emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs. Indeed He [i.e. God] is fully capable of returning him [to life].”


He/she came from a fluid gushing forth, emanating from a place, (not worth mentioning), between the ribs and the back. And yet man behaves with overbearing pride concerning the Day of Judgment. Indeed, God, Who created him the first time, is fully capable of returning him back to life. This theme is also demonstrated here.


[ Noble Qur'an Chapter: 50, Verse: 47]
When we are dead and have become dust and bones
Shall then we indeed be raised again?

[ Noble Qur'an Chapter: 75, Verses: 3 & 4]
Man thinks that, We shall not assemble his bones
Yes Truly! We are able to restore his very fingers!

[Noble Qur'an Chapter: 22, Verse: 7]
The Hour will come there is no doubt
And Allah will raise those who are in the graves.

The Qur'an is an Elegant, Pristine text. There is no direct mention of "penis/vagina" here. Euphemestic allusions are employed. No stories of rape, or incest. People who read or recite the Qur'an do so in a Purified state . A Holy Scripture should be accessible to all, and should not conjure explicit vivid and "provacative " images.

Sorry, Consequent Infidel, no drunken goddess orgies here.

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Old 06-27-2003, 11:52 AM   #248
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Would you please stop quoting the Quran in English. You have already most effectively established or proven that it can not be properly translated in to English. So why are you bothering?
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Also, can you please tell me why I keep hearing the word "we". Who is we? Is that Allah that is being refrred to or is it Allah and his angels. Are his angels part of the creation process as well? I don't understand this part.
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Would you please stop quoting the Quran in English. You have already most effectively established or proven that it can not be properly translated in to English. So why are you bothering?

Also, can you please tell me why I keep hearing the word "we". Who is we? Is that Allah that is being refrred to or is it Allah and his angels. Are his angels part of the creation process as well? I don't understand this part.

.........I have proven my point. I have exposed Consequent Infidel as a Liar, and someone abusing the arabic language i.e missiles. Perhaps I should move on and not belabor my point.

..........Perhaps I should use a language that is not biased. A language that is Universal. A language more exact than Science.


Perhaps ?


Perhaps Mathematics.
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Would you please stop quoting the Quran in English. You have already most effectively established or proven that it can not be properly translated in to English. So why are you bothering?

Also, can you please tell me why I keep hearing the word "we". Who is we? Is that Allah that is being refrred to or is it Allah and his angels. Are his angels part of the creation process as well? I don't understand this part.
You are correct. However , there are certain verses in the Quran where only "I " is used. You will notice that these verses involve only G-d .
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