Starboy

Will history repeat itself? Will The United States of America become The Holy United States of America? Seventeen hundred years ago the Christians succeeded in turning the Roman Empire into the Holy Roman Empire, are we next? Will history repeat itself? All people who desire religious freedom stand up to this President and the Congress and tell them: “We want separation of church and state!” Write your congressman, the President, and your local paper. We are not asking for elimination of religion, we are just asking for elimination of religion from government. Are there not enough churches in this country that it is now necessary to turn the government into a house of God?

Starboy

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slacker

I doubt it, I think what you see in the press and legal system right now is jockeying for power and spotlight by opportunistic politicians in an election year. More likely you'll see the Bushies fall from accounting scandals than force-fed religion (that is, forced by the state; religion is of course force-fed by parents, friends, and the community all the time).
I agree. This is a great time to support your local ACLU or Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Also, as an assertive atheist, I've decided to not vote for anyone who panders to the religious establishment (rules out almost everyone, but maybe they'll notice if enough votes are withheld). But don't forget, taking the voucher issue into consideration, the U.S. actually has a much more strict split between secular and private (95% religious) funding of schools then say Britain. I'm not saying this is right or anything, just an observation that we aren't as bad as we seem from the inside.
No, I actually am asking for the elimination of religion. Religion, please go away! You've repressed us for too long.

"The lie of the ideal has so far been the curse on reality; on account of it, mankind itself has become mendacious and false down to its most fundamental instincts-- to the point of worshipping the opposite values of those which alone would guarantee its health, its future, the lofty right to its future." -- Nietzsche, Ecce Homo

slacker

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Boro Nut

It will if you watch it on the BBC.

Boro Nut

Ruy Lopez

Please explain what this means. I'm from the East and do not understand many Western catchwords, jokes etc.

ohwilleke

Sending this to church state separation.

Toto

BBC = British Broadcasting Corporation. History repeats itself when the BBC reruns tapes.

If BoroNut were an American, he would have said "It will if you watch it on the History Channel."

Ruy Lopez

Thanks Toto.

Boro Nut

No I wouldn't. I would get BBC on cable.

Boro Nut

lpetrich

The "Holy Roman Empire" had been neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire, but a loose confederation of mainly German and Italian territories that lasted from Charlemagne's founding of it in 800 to its dissolution ~1800 -- around 1000 years.

However, the original posting did contain a good point about the Roman Empire adopting Christianity as its official religion.

Toto

I have my doubts about that original point. Did Christians take over the Roman Empire, or did the Roman Empire turn Christianity into an instrument of control?

You could ask if the Religious Right is truly interested in Christianity, or is using Christianity to put conservative policies in place (why are they so big on tax cuts in the name of Christ?)