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Old 08-12-2003, 08:18 PM   #111
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Why put the burden on a political instution that is privately funded?
Maybe because one of their mission goals is 'research'?
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Why can't ID get a lab at a university and get funding like all other enteprises do?
Have you ever written a grant proposal? Apparently, no IDiot has either...
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How many will donate money to fund ID research they don't understand?
Lots. I am in the process of filling out a grant request form, and this particular agency requires a "layman's explanation" for the non-scientists on their board.

There are enough rich anti-Darwinists out there that would gladly shell out money for the cause.

I think that the proponants realize that there is nothing there, and so rely on politics and religion.
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:20 PM   #112
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Biobeing,


That search is for papers that are online. I don't think they would have a paper online from 1982. Here is the citation:

Bohlin, Raymond G. and Zimmerman, Earl G. 1982. Genic differentiation of two chromosome races of the Geomys bursarius complex. Journal of Mammalogy 63:218-228.
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:22 PM   #113
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Pangloss,

Do you really want to stand by this claim?

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Have you ever written a grant proposal? Apparently, no IDiot has either...
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:22 PM   #114
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Nope.



Yup:

Creed et al., ‘Industrial melanism in Biston betularia: the role of selective predation’, J. animal ecology 44:67–83, 1975

This goes along with what Wells reported in The Scientist :
Frankly, since I have discovered Wells using doctored quotes in his propaganda book, I don't care what he says.

But you mentioned Kettlewell, right?

Well, I am going to bed, Gutrs.

You can play your minutiae game with some one else for a while...
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:24 PM   #115
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Do you really want to stand by this claim?
Show us one grant proposal written by an IDiot where the research purpose is ID.
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:24 PM   #116
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Do you really want to stand by this claim?
Sure. Let me guess - out will come the folk tales of the atheist darwinist conspiracy, refusing to let the poor, truth seeking IDist gather a scrAp of cash for his amazing ID-proving experiments!

There is lots of money out there.

That they can't seem to get any - or use what they do get for political lobbying and such - tells me that ID is a farce.
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Really which ones?
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Principia,

Why did you change the claim? Do you stand by what Pangloss wrote here:

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Is this right?
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Old 08-12-2003, 08:30 PM   #119
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Why did you change the claim? Do you stand by what Pangloss wrote here:



Is this right?
You mean sort of like when you changed the claim that
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Really? I had no idea that the function of enolase had already been discovered.
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So let me reiterate my question:
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I await this delightful revelation.
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