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Magazine · 11-26-2002, 05:37 AM

Although I am a Christian, not a polytheist like Ojuice, I find his belief system appealing, and better than most atheistic worldviews. Why don't most atheists?

Godless Dave · 11-26-2002, 05:51 AM

I find it appealing, I just don't see evidence that it's true. Personally I think polytheism makes more sense, if you can call it that, than monotheism, but I have yet to see any evidence that any of these gods exist.

Demigawd · 11-26-2002, 06:24 AM

I find the concept of Christina Ricci falling madly in love with me and wanting to bear my children to be appealing. However, appealing as it is, it isn't reality. Therefore I cannot with a rational mind consider it anything other than a pipe dream.

If only theists could do the same thing with their fantasies, the world might be a more peaceful place.

Heathen Dawn · 11-26-2002, 06:28 AM

Ojuice bases his religious beliefs upon mental experiences (such as those of Postverta, the Roman goddess of the Past). But:

1. Experiences are very subjective. I haven't had any such experiences.

2. Scientific research has found areas in the brain responsible for such experiences (see for example Massimo Pigliucci's article <a href="http://fp.bio.utk.edu/skeptic/Rationally_Speaking/02-08-god_brain.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.)

As far as evidence goes, there is no other reason for those experience than various configurations of brain chemicals. Which means materialism, rather than any supernatural theism, wins the day. Ojuice's beliefs, like dreams and hallucinations, are based on brain chemicals. Not a sound basis for a belief, I think,

Echo · 11-26-2002, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Magazine:
<strong>Although I am a Christian, not a polytheist like Ojuice, I find his belief system appealing, and better than most atheistic worldviews. Why don't most atheists?</strong>

What do you mean "why haven't you listened to Ojuice?" I have listened to Ojuice. His posts are interesting and provoke some good discussions. I simply see no good reasons to conclude the roman pagan gods really exist.

Have you listened to Ojuice? Do you believe the roman gods and goddesses exist? If not, why not?

Starboy · 11-26-2002, 08:17 AM

Magazine you claim in this thread to be a Christian yet your bio shows undecided. What gives? Trying to pull a fast one?

Magazine · 11-26-2002, 08:40 AM

I made that profile two months ago. I have given consideration to Christianity, materialism, polytheism (not sure which form is the best), pantheism, and ancient so-called Christian heresies (Gnosticism). I am never sure which one is the best, though I lean toward Christianity both now and in general.

Eudaimonist · 11-26-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Magazine:
<strong>Although I am a Christian, not a polytheist like Ojuice, I find his belief system appealing, and better than most atheistic worldviews.</strong>

That's nice.

I'm not a mind-reader -- what do you find so appealing about polytheism?

Starboy · 11-26-2002, 06:25 PM

Is there only one kind of polytheism?

Wyz_sub10 · 11-26-2002, 06:41 PM

Who's ojuice5001?

11-26-2002, 05:37 AM	#1
Magazine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 40	Why haven't you listened to Ojuice5001? Although I am a Christian, not a polytheist like Ojuice, I find his belief system appealing, and better than most atheistic worldviews. Why don't most atheists?

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11-26-2002, 05:51 AM	#2
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	I find it appealing, I just don't see evidence that it's true. Personally I think polytheism makes more sense, if you can call it that, than monotheism, but I have yet to see any evidence that any of these gods exist.

11-26-2002, 06:24 AM	#3
Demigawd Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place Posts: 2,254	I find the concept of Christina Ricci falling madly in love with me and wanting to bear my children to be appealing. However, appealing as it is, it isn't reality. Therefore I cannot with a rational mind consider it anything other than a pipe dream. If only theists could do the same thing with their fantasies, the world might be a more peaceful place.

11-26-2002, 06:28 AM	#4
Heathen Dawn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,656	Ojuice bases his religious beliefs upon mental experiences (such as those of Postverta, the Roman goddess of the Past). But: 1. Experiences are very subjective. I haven't had any such experiences. 2. Scientific research has found areas in the brain responsible for such experiences (see for example Massimo Pigliucci's article <a href="http://fp.bio.utk.edu/skeptic/Rationally_Speaking/02-08-god_brain.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.) As far as evidence goes, there is no other reason for those experience than various configurations of brain chemicals. Which means materialism, rather than any supernatural theism, wins the day. Ojuice's beliefs, like dreams and hallucinations, are based on brain chemicals. Not a sound basis for a belief, I think,

11-26-2002, 08:17 AM	#6
Starboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Reality Adventurer Posts: 5,276	Magazine you claim in this thread to be a Christian yet your bio shows undecided. What gives? Trying to pull a fast one?

11-26-2002, 08:40 AM	#7
Magazine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 40	I made that profile two months ago. I have given consideration to Christianity, materialism, polytheism (not sure which form is the best), pantheism, and ancient so-called Christian heresies (Gnosticism). I am never sure which one is the best, though I lean toward Christianity both now and in general.

11-26-2002, 06:25 PM	#9
Starboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Reality Adventurer Posts: 5,276	Is there only one kind of polytheism?

11-26-2002, 06:41 PM	#10
Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	Who's ojuice5001?

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