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Vorkosigan · 02-08-2002, 04:00 PM

<a href="http://www.ev1.net/english/news/newsarticle.asp?articleID=14300923&subject=headlin es" target="_blank">A sad day for the state of Virginia</a>

Kevin Dorner · 02-08-2002, 04:08 PM

Here's <a href="http://www.timesdispatch.com/vametro/MGBD5DJFFXC.html" target="_blank">another one about it.</a>

This has been happening in a number of states recently. Check the <a href="http://www.infidels.org/wire" target="_blank">Wire</a>.

[ February 08, 2002: Message edited by: Kevin Dorner ]

scombrid · 02-09-2002, 05:27 AM

Great, it clears committee at the beginning of the week. Then it clears the House by the end of the week. Why can't legislation that is actually important move so quickly?

theyeti · 02-09-2002, 01:04 PM

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The measure, which now goes to the Senate, would require the state Board of Education to write guidelines for displaying the Ten Commandments in classrooms, along with the text from three secular documents: the First Amendment, the Declaration of Independence and the Virginia Constitution.

How ironic. I must say that it is an insult, to put it mildly, to require those others to share space with the 10C, especially since the purpose of this bill is to showcase the 10C while giving the finger to the separation clauses in the 1st Amendment and Virginia Constitution.

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The House voted 52-46 on Friday to send the measure to the Senate. Gov. Mark Warner has not taken a position on the bill.

I'm pleased that it passed with so narrow a margin. I would have expected worse in this "if you're not with us, you're against us" hyper-religious phase. I actually consider this good news. Does anyone know if this will pass the Virginia senate?

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"Some people have spoken about the intent of this bill, but as the author of this bill, let me say to you from the bottom of my heart it is not about religion," Lingamfelter said.

What a liar! By far the most annoying habit of these people is that they think people will be stupid enough to buy into their bullshit spin doctoring.

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"It is about values. It's about the values that were at the root of the founding of this nation."

Which of course means relgious values.

theyeti

02-09-2002, 03:34 PM

It really pisses me off to see these right-wing pukes waste so much time passing bills like this that will almost certainly be struck down by the courts.

I will be VERY disappointed in Governor Warner if he signs this bill.

tdaschel · 02-09-2002, 04:27 PM

...oh, Mark warner (i've been away too long [well, not really...]). um, in terms of National politics, virginia has the distinction of having one of two Independent members of congress / that's cucumber head (and i mean that inna good way) Rep. Goode. the other is Bernie Sanders of Vermont (the pro.gun socialist). still, i don't particularly care for virginia. why? Speeding Tickets. lots of 'em.

Jewel · 02-10-2002, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by atheist_in_foxhole:
I will be VERY disappointed in Governor Warner if he signs this bill.

You and me both. In fact I think I will write him a letter and tell him so.

-jewel

butswana · 02-11-2002, 05:19 AM

Fuck it. I've written numerous letters to my reps in the Indiana General Assembly and the Federal Senate& House. If you don't put a return address on it, they throw it away. If you do put a return address on it, they send you a fucking form letter. They all say," Thank you for your concern on this issue. Now fuck off."
I'm not voting for any incumbents ever again. If they stay too long, they go bad.

Skid · 02-11-2002, 11:11 AM

Update from Michigan - It looks like our version of the 10 Commandments bill (House Bill #4226) hasn't had any activity lately.

Here's an interesting political tactic: two amendments were proposed that would require the commandments to be written in their original language and script (Hebrew) if posted in public schools.

Another proposed amendment was from Rep. Lemmons:

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...to require that if the Ten Commandments are posted in public schools with other historical documents that one of those documents be David Walker's 1829 appeal attacking White injustice and advocating Black self-reliance...

Of course, none of these amendments passed -- all had significant Republican opposition.

[ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: Mark S ]

02-15-2002, 11:42 AM

Breaking news!

<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020214_1750.html" target="_blank">VA Ten Commandments bill killed by Senate committee</a>

[ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]

02-08-2002, 04:00 PM	#1
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Virginia House OKs Ten Commandments <a href="http://www.ev1.net/english/news/newsarticle.asp?articleID=14300923&subject=headlin es" target="_blank">A sad day for the state of Virginia</a>

02-08-2002, 04:08 PM	#2
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	Here's <a href="http://www.timesdispatch.com/vametro/MGBD5DJFFXC.html" target="_blank">another one about it.</a> This has been happening in a number of states recently. Check the <a href="http://www.infidels.org/wire" target="_blank">Wire</a>. [ February 08, 2002: Message edited by: Kevin Dorner ]</p>

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atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	Breaking news! <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020214_1750.html" target="_blank">VA Ten Commandments bill killed by Senate committee</a> [ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]</p>

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02-09-2002, 05:27 AM	#3
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	Great, it clears committee at the beginning of the week. Then it clears the House by the end of the week. Why can't legislation that is actually important move so quickly?

02-09-2002, 03:34 PM	#5
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	It really pisses me off to see these right-wing pukes waste so much time passing bills like this that will almost certainly be struck down by the courts. I will be VERY disappointed in Governor Warner if he signs this bill.

02-09-2002, 04:27 PM	#6
tdaschel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7	...oh, Mark warner (i've been away too long [well, not really...]). um, in terms of National politics, virginia has the distinction of having one of two Independent members of congress / that's cucumber head (and i mean that inna good way) Rep. Goode. the other is Bernie Sanders of Vermont (the pro.gun socialist). still, i don't particularly care for virginia. why? Speeding Tickets. lots of 'em.

02-11-2002, 05:19 AM	#8
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	Fuck it. I've written numerous letters to my reps in the Indiana General Assembly and the Federal Senate& House. If you don't put a return address on it, they throw it away. If you do put a return address on it, they send you a fucking form letter. They all say," Thank you for your concern on this issue. Now fuck off." I'm not voting for any incumbents ever again. If they stay too long, they go bad.

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