Shake

Huh?

This non-sequiter has absolutley nothing to do with my post. And as per one of your later posts, I'm a recovered Lutheran, son of a history buff who taught my confirmation class, so I know about Martin Luther. I've said it before, Luther was a Catholic, Jesus was a Jew. Both attempted reform, both failed!

Magus55

I meant by Biblical Christianity, denominations that follow the Bible very precisely as opposed to for example Catholicism that adds a whole bunch of false doctrines and heresy into Christianity that isn't in the Bible.

No where in the Bible will you find it acceptable to pray to Mary. No where is there mention of purgatory. And none of the junk like the Pope is infallible ex cathedra . Catholicism is the biggest downfall and insult to Christianity and Jesus' true message and purpose.

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by Magus55
No where in the Bible will you find it acceptable to pray to Mary.

You pray to your imaginary beings, let them pray to theirs.

Radorth

Amos you could at least back up your confusing and mostly gratuitous assertions with some Catholic authorities. That's not much to ask really. I mean, show some links to TWO Catholic theologians preaching this stuff- pergatory ends at death, all Popes are above judgement, that speaking in tongues can produce no fruit except self-righteousness, yada yada. (Criminy. Why would the Pope bless it then?).

I suspect you have no credible or official backing anywhere for this stuff, let alone the Bible, and your thinking is so exclusionary as to be simply escoteric and cultish. Otherwise I'm sure we might have a chance of compromising as Mom suggested. And I don't recall EVER used bad Catholic examples to argue anything with you.

Rad

Amos

The very bible that you follow so precisely tells you not to: "[you] search the scriptures in which you think you have eternal--they testify on my behalf. Yet you are unwilling to come to me to possess that life" (Jn.5:39-40).

Because you get only a promise of eternal life you must die before anything good can possibly happen to you.

We, on the other hand, can go through Mary to Jesus and possess that life now (to be enjoyed here and now) and this same life will end when we die. See the difference?

Our physical death will be our second death and for you it will be both the first and the second death.

Radorth

Amos, I'm just curious when Peter became infallible. Was it right after Paul "withstood him to his face" because of his hypocrisy? And of course James would never have qualified as Pope since he admitted "we all make many mistakes."

Right?

Rad

Radorth

Yeah I see the difference. Jesus said to come directly to him to fill up, but you have to go through Mary even though she is not mentioned anywhere after Acts 2, even by the first Pope.

Rad

Amos

Well you see Radorth, Catholicism is like milk for babies and its influence ends at rebirth. From there we are on our own and the church doesn't want anything to do with us. Some will return later in life. The rest (?) will just remain free from religion and the slavery to sin.

Amos

Peter became infallible when he put on his cloak (of faith) and then dove headfirst into the celestial sea where the fish were big and easy to catch. This was past the resurrection in John 21:7.

Peter was the twin of Thomas and when all doubt was removed Peter of faith was defrocked because faith cannot be conceived to exist without doubt. Hence Peter was naked on their next fishing trip.

Amos

Yes he did, but we can only get to Jesus if we go through Mary because she is the god-bearer. Without a virgin rebirth we will have a non-virgin rebirth and a malevolent mother who cannot lead us through the purgation period wherein we must be set free from the law. This freedom equals the end of religion while we in direct communion with Mary who is the queen of angels and therefore also the source of the HS (sic) or she could not be our seat of our wisdom.

IOW the descent of the HS should mean that the HS is down to stay and this is equal to the end of our prayerlife. Hence the crucifixion of Jesus was the victory of Mary (see Masaccio "The Crucifixion)" or just "Mary there is your son, son there is your mother" as spoken by Jesus from the cross.