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atrahasis · 09-26-2002, 05:16 AM

Hi,

The Dinosaurs, did they even exist? If yes, what killed them. Is there something we don't know?

Can the Dinosaurs story help also connect the missing links in man?

Is it only the Dinosaurs that were destroyed? Could there have been also a remote civilisation that was also destroyed in this period?

Reasearch has shown that the sumerian, the maya and may be also the Aztecs had a highly developed civilisation that came to an abrupt end..The reason to this is a subject to much debate so far...

Below is an hypothesis that may be can help explain What Killed The Dinosaurs...

<a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/extinction.html" target="_blank">What Killed The Dinosaurs</a>

another possible theory..

<a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/extinctheory.html" target="_blank">The 'Extrinsic Catastrophists'</a>

Edited to link to the original documents.

[ September 26, 2002: Message edited by: Jeremy Pallant ]

ohwilleke · 09-26-2002, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Black Moses:
Hi,

The Dinosaurs, did they even exist? If yes, what killed them. Is there something we don't know?

Yes, Dinosaurs did exist. (Lot's of fossils.) And, the leading explaination for what killed them which has wide support is an extraterrestrial body hitting the Earth 65 million years ago give or take, with the main dispute being over how fast extinction took place (as your links indicate). No big surprise.

Can the Dinosaurs story help also connect the missing links in man?

Is it only the Dinosaurs that were destroyed? Could there have been also a remote civilisation that was also destroyed in this period?

Reasearch has shown that the sumerian, the maya and may be also the Aztecs had a highly developed civilisation that came to an abrupt end..The reason to this is a subject to much debate so far...

The problem with the theory you seem to be suggesting is that the oldest evidence for human civilization in the Americas, where the Aztecs and Maya lived, is only about 10,000-20,000 years ago, as opposed to 60,000,0000 to 65,000,000 years ago for dinosaurs.

For that matter the oldest evidence of humankind (or pre-human hominids) is about 1,000,000-5,000,000 years ago which is still long after the dinosaurs expired. Morever, there are multiple lines of corroborating evidence (gentic diversity, archeology, location of fossil finds, linguistic patterns) that suggest the humanity orginated in Africa, so the likelihood of finding human fossils older than the oldest pre-human fossil finds made in Africa is remote.

Sumarian and Egyptian civilians sometimes taken as evidence of previous advanced civilizations (or at least the discovered artifacts of these civilizations) also date after the agricultural revolution of 10,000-20,000 years ago. Prior to this date there is zero evidence for any human civilization beyond the hunter-gatherer stage (something corroborated by the evolutionary relationships of domesticated plants and animals to wild ones)

While there have been ice ages during human history, there is no evidence for advanced civilization before the agricultural revolution, and there is no fossil evidence of mass extinction events other than the expansion of the human race and ice ages, during that period. Certainly, pre-historic human civilians have collapsed, but those have happened in the past ten thousand or so years for reasons totally remote from those that caused the dinosaurs to expire.

MrDarwin · 09-26-2002, 11:37 AM

Um... what was the question again?

Doubting Didymus · 09-26-2002, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Could there have been also a remote civilisation that was also destroyed in this period?

Um, what kind of civilisation are you talking about? I hope you are not thinking human.

Quote:

Can the Dinosaurs story help also connect the missing links in man?

Which missing links? What in blazers are you talking about?

atrahasis · 09-26-2002, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ohwilleke:

Yes, Dinosaurs did exist. (Lot's of fossils.) And, the leading explaination for what killed them which has wide support is an extraterrestrial body hitting the Earth 65 million years ago give or take, with the main dispute being over how fast extinction took place (as your links indicate). No big surprise.

The problem with the theory you seem to be suggesting is that the oldest evidence for human civilization in the Americas, where the Aztecs and Maya lived, is only about 10,000-20,000 years ago, as opposed to 60,000,0000 to 65,000,000 years ago for dinosaurs.

For that matter the oldest evidence of humankind (or pre-human hominids) is about 1,000,000-5,000,000 years ago which is still long after the dinosaurs expired. Morever, there are multiple lines of corroborating evidence (gentic diversity, archeology, location of fossil finds, linguistic patterns) that suggest the humanity orginated in Africa, so the likelihood of finding human fossils older than the oldest pre-human fossil finds made in Africa is remote.

Sumarian and Egyptian civilians sometimes taken as evidence of previous advanced civilizations (or at least the discovered artifacts of these civilizations) also date after the agricultural revolution of 10,000-20,000 years ago. Prior to this date there is zero evidence for any human civilization beyond the hunter-gatherer stage (something corroborated by the evolutionary relationships of domesticated plants and animals to wild ones)

While there have been ice ages during human history, there is no evidence for advanced civilization before the agricultural revolution, and there is no fossil evidence of mass extinction events other than the expansion of the human race and ice ages, during that period. Certainly, pre-historic human civilians have collapsed, but those have happened in the past ten thousand or so years for reasons totally remote from those that caused the dinosaurs to expire.

Thank you very much for shedding some and i mean some light.......**(Trancated)

atrahasis · 09-26-2002, 10:19 PM

Thanks jeremy, O.K i know its sort of your "duty" but thanks anyway for keeping my thread tidy....

[ September 26, 2002: Message edited by: Black Moses ]

Kenny · 09-26-2002, 10:30 PM

Smoking, at least according to this one Far Side cartoon I saw...

atrahasis · 09-26-2002, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kenny:
Smoking, at least according to this one Far Side cartoon I saw...

Can you please cough out what you mean by thi???

Kenny · 09-26-2002, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Black Moses:

Can you please cough out what you mean by thi???

Just a joke. I saw a Far Side cartoon once that said "What really killed the dinosaurs" and the caption was a picture of three dinasaurs standing around smoking cigarretts.

atrahasis · 09-26-2002, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kenny:


Just a joke. I saw a Far Side cartoon once that said "What really killed the dinosaurs" and the caption was a picture of three dinasaurs standing around smoking cigarretts.

Got yah now aaah funny...

Now do you have anything vital you can provide in this thread....??

For example look at what ohwilleke has given...are you for it? or are you against it!!!

09-26-2002, 05:16 AM	#1
atrahasis Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South of Sahara Posts: 216	What Killed The Dinosaurs?? Hi, The Dinosaurs, did they even exist? If yes, what killed them. Is there something we don't know? Can the Dinosaurs story help also connect the missing links in man? Is it only the Dinosaurs that were destroyed? Could there have been also a remote civilisation that was also destroyed in this period? Reasearch has shown that the sumerian, the maya and may be also the Aztecs had a highly developed civilisation that came to an abrupt end..The reason to this is a subject to much debate so far... Below is an hypothesis that may be can help explain What Killed The Dinosaurs... <a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/extinction.html" target="_blank">What Killed The Dinosaurs</a> another possible theory.. <a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/extinctheory.html" target="_blank">The 'Extrinsic Catastrophists'</a> Edited to link to the original documents. [ September 26, 2002: Message edited by: Jeremy Pallant ]</p>

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ohwilleke Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Denver, Colorado, USA Posts: 4,834	Originally posted by Black Moses: Hi, The Dinosaurs, did they even exist? If yes, what killed them. Is there something we don't know? Yes, Dinosaurs did exist. (Lot's of fossils.) And, the leading explaination for what killed them which has wide support is an extraterrestrial body hitting the Earth 65 million years ago give or take, with the main dispute being over how fast extinction took place (as your links indicate). No big surprise. Can the Dinosaurs story help also connect the missing links in man? Is it only the Dinosaurs that were destroyed? Could there have been also a remote civilisation that was also destroyed in this period? Reasearch has shown that the sumerian, the maya and may be also the Aztecs had a highly developed civilisation that came to an abrupt end..The reason to this is a subject to much debate so far... The problem with the theory you seem to be suggesting is that the oldest evidence for human civilization in the Americas, where the Aztecs and Maya lived, is only about 10,000-20,000 years ago, as opposed to 60,000,0000 to 65,000,000 years ago for dinosaurs. For that matter the oldest evidence of humankind (or pre-human hominids) is about 1,000,000-5,000,000 years ago which is still long after the dinosaurs expired. Morever, there are multiple lines of corroborating evidence (gentic diversity, archeology, location of fossil finds, linguistic patterns) that suggest the humanity orginated in Africa, so the likelihood of finding human fossils older than the oldest pre-human fossil finds made in Africa is remote. Sumarian and Egyptian civilians sometimes taken as evidence of previous advanced civilizations (or at least the discovered artifacts of these civilizations) also date after the agricultural revolution of 10,000-20,000 years ago. Prior to this date there is zero evidence for any human civilization beyond the hunter-gatherer stage (something corroborated by the evolutionary relationships of domesticated plants and animals to wild ones) While there have been ice ages during human history, there is no evidence for advanced civilization before the agricultural revolution, and there is no fossil evidence of mass extinction events other than the expansion of the human race and ice ages, during that period. Certainly, pre-historic human civilians have collapsed, but those have happened in the past ten thousand or so years for reasons totally remote from those that caused the dinosaurs to expire.

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MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	Um... what was the question again?

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