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Boro Nut · 08-12-2002, 03:29 AM

As an alternative, a single coat of Hammerite is a once-only solution, if you can afford it.

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abe smith · 08-12-2002, 04:57 AM

There shdn"t BE any "prisoners of war", because All That Stupid Killing Stuff is an asshole way to resolve human conflicts. If we're so sapient, how come we act so ignorant?

MadMordigan · 08-12-2002, 06:29 AM

There shdn"t BE any "prisoners of war", because All That Stupid Killing Stuff is an asshole way to resolve human conflicts.

Thats what Montezuma said.

tronvillain · 08-12-2002, 10:53 AM

Montefarle:

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Which situations would you deem it "appropriate" to torture and execute prisoners of war; who would have the power to decide who was tortured and who was spared; and what leverage would that leave us when our own POW's are tortured in other countries detainment camps? I personally think torture is barbaric and should not be used under most forseeable circumstances (I say most because there will always be one instance where, yes, torture might be considered a valid alternative) and that the United States should not affiliate itsself with such practices.

I would consider it appropriate to torture someone if you really need to get information out of them, and appropriate to execute them if you can't afford to be burdened with prisoners. In other words, while you are in the field, well before you've gotten them back to anything resembling a detainment camp.

snatchbalance · 08-12-2002, 11:46 AM

I agree with abe.

SB

Boro Nut · 08-13-2002, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by abe smith:
If we're so sapient, how come we act so ignorant?

What does sapient mean?

Boro Nut

One_King_Down · 08-13-2002, 07:41 AM

Boro Nut: Sapient, means "Having great wisdom and discernment" (dictionary.com)

I think POW's should be given enough to sustain life, nothing more. They should not be killed if they surrender, but by surrendering they know that they are giving themselves to the enemy and know what they could be in store for. Yes it's a shame that we have wars and can't solve things like civil people, but that's the world we live in and it wont' change anytime soon...

The Other Michael · 08-13-2002, 07:54 AM

Keep in mind that part of the reason to give POWs humane treatment is to encourage the other side's soldiers to surrender instead of continuing to fight.

If you are in a battle and you know things are going against you, wouldn't you be more inclined to surrender to a foe if you know you will be treated decently? But if you knew that the enemy was likely to shoot you out of hand, torture you or otherwise seriously mistreat you, I think you'd be more apt to fight to the bitter end, and take as many of them with you as possible.

cheers,
Michael

snatchbalance · 08-13-2002, 04:24 PM

raindropple,

I don't think that the Afaganies in custody are POW's at all, if anything they are probably just victims of circumstance.

1. there was no declaration of war.

2. Normaly, at the close of hostilities, combatants are repatriated. there is no sign that this is even being contemplated.

3. If any of them ever had any type of vital information, it is certainly out of date at this point.

4. There is no evidence, that I know of, to indicate that the prisoners were al quaida operatives. they were afganies defending, what they thought to be, thier legitimate government.

So now they are stuck in gitmo indefinately.

sb

[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: snatchbalance ]

Boro Nut · 08-14-2002, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by One_King_Down:
Sapient, means "Having great wisdom and discernment" (dictionary.com)

What does dictionary.com mean?

Boro Nut

08-13-2002, 04:24 PM	#19
snatchbalance Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CT Posts: 333	raindropple, I don't think that the Afaganies in custody are POW's at all, if anything they are probably just victims of circumstance. 1. there was no declaration of war. 2. Normaly, at the close of hostilities, combatants are repatriated. there is no sign that this is even being contemplated. 3. If any of them ever had any type of vital information, it is certainly out of date at this point. 4. There is no evidence, that I know of, to indicate that the prisoners were al quaida operatives. they were afganies defending, what they thought to be, thier legitimate government. So now they are stuck in gitmo indefinately. sb [ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: snatchbalance ]</p>

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08-12-2002, 03:29 AM	#11
Boro Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 3,909	As an alternative, a single coat of Hammerite is a once-only solution, if you can afford it. Boro Nut

08-12-2002, 04:57 AM	#12
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	There shdn"t BE any "prisoners of war", because All That Stupid Killing Stuff is an asshole way to resolve human conflicts. If we're so sapient, how come we act so ignorant?

08-12-2002, 06:29 AM	#13
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	There shdn"t BE any "prisoners of war", because All That Stupid Killing Stuff is an asshole way to resolve human conflicts. Thats what Montezuma said.

08-12-2002, 11:46 AM	#15
snatchbalance Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CT Posts: 333	I agree with abe. SB

08-13-2002, 07:41 AM	#17
One_King_Down Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NY Posts: 14	Boro Nut: Sapient, means "Having great wisdom and discernment" (dictionary.com) I think POW's should be given enough to sustain life, nothing more. They should not be killed if they surrender, but by surrendering they know that they are giving themselves to the enemy and know what they could be in store for. Yes it's a shame that we have wars and can't solve things like civil people, but that's the world we live in and it wont' change anytime soon...

08-13-2002, 07:54 AM	#18
The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	Keep in mind that part of the reason to give POWs humane treatment is to encourage the other side's soldiers to surrender instead of continuing to fight. If you are in a battle and you know things are going against you, wouldn't you be more inclined to surrender to a foe if you know you will be treated decently? But if you knew that the enemy was likely to shoot you out of hand, torture you or otherwise seriously mistreat you, I think you'd be more apt to fight to the bitter end, and take as many of them with you as possible. cheers, Michael

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