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butswana · 11-15-2002, 08:34 AM

I sent the principal an email. We'll see where it goes from there. Thanks, HJ. I used that excerp. I figure it will give me some clout.
As for the school board? When my daughter protested the religious songs in the choir, the teacher went to the school board. Some members of the board demanded that the teacher reveal the name of the student. She didn't, but I wonder why it would even matter.
Thanks for all of the replies.

theyeti · 11-15-2002, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by butswana:

The teacher said that they were going to skip the stone age because the text book says it was two million years ago, and since he doesn't believe that, they were going to skip it.

I don't believe that the stone age was two million years ago either.

theyeti

beejay · 11-15-2002, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by butswana:
My 7th grade daughter tells me that yesterday in her Industrial Technologies class

Is this Indianapolis public schools? Just a little surprised by this...(being from the enlightened East...at least 70 miles east.)

But then Industrial Technologies is what we used to call "shop", right? My shop teacher was the coach who needed something else to do. Not necessarily someone I would expect to understand history...

butswana · 11-16-2002, 07:58 AM

Not IPS. Avon Middle School. Yes, he is a "shop" teacher. He should go make some horse-head bookends and keep his mouth shut.
The principal says he got a different version from the teacher(no specifics). I can call him(teacher) if I wish and get back to the principal if I still have issue.

Belle · 11-16-2002, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by butswana:
Not IPS. Avon Middle School. Yes, he is a "shop" teacher. He should go make some horse-head bookends and keep his mouth shut.
The principal says he got a different version from the teacher(no specifics). I can call him(teacher) if I wish and get back to the principal if I still have issue.

Have you decided if you'll be calling the teacher?
Want me to? Please let me do it please!

Buffman · 11-16-2002, 06:48 PM

butswana

The principal says he got a different version from the teacher(no specifics). I can call him(teacher) if I wish and get back to the principal if I still have issue.

Weren't there plenty of other witnesses to the teacher's claims? Use them!

atheistdave · 11-25-2002, 07:44 AM

Avon, the fundie hell of the west side. Had some friends living there, they moved north a few miles to a "better" area.

Sounds like you need a sit down with all parties involved, just to get the facts straight. They can do wonders fro a teachers memory.

Good Luck and hang in there,
Dave

butswana · 11-25-2002, 08:04 AM

The only kid she could find that would back up her story has a vendeta against this teacher. I feel he is lying in order to get a few shots at him. I can't use him. Integrity you know.
We are moving a few miles south to Plainfield in the spring(loan got approved last week). I grew up there. Five people in a 1100 sq. foot house doesn't cut it. Avon schools are WAY over-crowded. The new elementary school had portable classrooms the first year it was in use.

southernhybrid · 11-25-2002, 10:39 AM

I would personally confront the teacher before I went any further. When my son was in the third grade, his teacher hit him with a ruler for not paying attention in class. I stormed up to the school since I don't support using any kind of corporal punishment on children. The teacher told me the Bible says, "Spare the rod and spoil the child". Well you can imagine my response as an atheist to her comment. By the end of the meeting the poor teacher was in tears and I ended up feeling sorry for her, and told her as long as she promised not to do it again, there would be no further complaint. After my conference with the teacher, the entire policy regarding corporal punishment was changed to state that parents would be informed and consent given before using corporal punishment. The teacher told the principal about my complaint and that's what generated the change.

So, my point is that it's often not that difficult to get things changed if you start with the person you have a complaint with and work your way up as needed. It doesn't always work out so easily but at least you can say you let the teacher know your concerns before taking it further.

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11-15-2002, 08:34 AM	#11
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	I sent the principal an email. We'll see where it goes from there. Thanks, HJ. I used that excerp. I figure it will give me some clout. As for the school board? When my daughter protested the religious songs in the choir, the teacher went to the school board. Some members of the board demanded that the teacher reveal the name of the student. She didn't, but I wonder why it would even matter. Thanks for all of the replies.

11-16-2002, 07:58 AM	#14
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	Not IPS. Avon Middle School. Yes, he is a "shop" teacher. He should go make some horse-head bookends and keep his mouth shut. The principal says he got a different version from the teacher(no specifics). I can call him(teacher) if I wish and get back to the principal if I still have issue.

11-16-2002, 06:48 PM	#16
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	butswana The principal says he got a different version from the teacher(no specifics). I can call him(teacher) if I wish and get back to the principal if I still have issue. Weren't there plenty of other witnesses to the teacher's claims? Use them!

11-25-2002, 07:44 AM	#17
atheistdave Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Dana, IN USA Posts: 225	Avon, the fundie hell of the west side. Had some friends living there, they moved north a few miles to a "better" area. Sounds like you need a sit down with all parties involved, just to get the facts straight. They can do wonders fro a teachers memory. Good Luck and hang in there, Dave

11-25-2002, 08:04 AM	#18
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	The only kid she could find that would back up her story has a vendeta against this teacher. I feel he is lying in order to get a few shots at him. I can't use him. Integrity you know. We are moving a few miles south to Plainfield in the spring(loan got approved last week). I grew up there. Five people in a 1100 sq. foot house doesn't cut it. Avon schools are WAY over-crowded. The new elementary school had portable classrooms the first year it was in use.

11-25-2002, 10:39 AM	#19
southernhybrid Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: heavenly Georgia Posts: 3,862	I would personally confront the teacher before I went any further. When my son was in the third grade, his teacher hit him with a ruler for not paying attention in class. I stormed up to the school since I don't support using any kind of corporal punishment on children. The teacher told me the Bible says, "Spare the rod and spoil the child". Well you can imagine my response as an atheist to her comment. By the end of the meeting the poor teacher was in tears and I ended up feeling sorry for her, and told her as long as she promised not to do it again, there would be no further complaint. After my conference with the teacher, the entire policy regarding corporal punishment was changed to state that parents would be informed and consent given before using corporal punishment. The teacher told the principal about my complaint and that's what generated the change. So, my point is that it's often not that difficult to get things changed if you start with the person you have a complaint with and work your way up as needed. It doesn't always work out so easily but at least you can say you let the teacher know your concerns before taking it further.

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