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MorganV12 · 03-19-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Tenpudo
So, of course the most reasonable explanation is that aliens used mosquito-shaped robots to inject all those people with mind-altering nano-devices, as an experiment. Of course!

Hey! ....Data would have come to the same hypothesis!

But seriously folks, we're all nano-wired and our minds are being archived in an ET database!

Don't you see, it all makes sense, the aliens are going to raise the dead. We will all have to worship a great grey god. :notworthy

Believe...Believe and you will find that your index shall be preserved for all time. Unless of course your primary index is already set to the unchangable closed minded query view, then buddy, it's strictly MS Access for your soul, yuck! :boohoo:

Morgan

MorganV12 · 03-19-2003, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by echidna
yet his explanation might come directly from a Star Trek episode or an science fiction pulp novel.

The author pretty much debunks Star Trek and the whole nano-starship idea is pretty unique.

Morgan

Mageth · 03-19-2003, 01:01 PM

From the site:

As you can see this vehicle is not from earth.

No, it's from Planet Photoshop.

Interestingly enough the vessel is not capable of interstellar or interplanetary flight. It is strictly used for terrestrial purposes, why it's called a Surveyor.

So that's where all those little sticks with orange ribbons are coming from?

It can reach speeds up to 7000 mph

And, incredibly, completely mask its sonic boom in so doing.

and accelerate at over 75 Gs within 10 seconds!

I'm not sure what they mean here. Can anyone decipher this and perhaps give some calculation on how fast this thing would actually be going?

Aethernaut · 03-19-2003, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by MorganV12
...debunks Star Trek...

Debunks fiction? Last I heard Trek played fast and loose with science. How does one debunk a space opera?

MorganV12 · 03-19-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Schrodinger's Kitten
Debunks fiction? Last I heard Trek played fast and loose with science. How does one debunk a space opera?

What the author says is the Star Trek view of interstellar space travel is unrealistic, given the problems of the number of stars to reach and the energy requirements. With nuclear powered Star Trek ships you're lucky to even get one percent the speed of light, as opposed to nano-star ships, which could reach a higher percentage of the speed of light, and with far less energy than it would take to push the Enterprise to 1% c. Not to mention the lower costs per ship as well.

Star Trek is fast and loose with space fantasy, not science fiction. Good science fiction is more in the genera of A. C. Clark and others, or even Luvinspoon.

Morgan

MorganV12 · 03-19-2003, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
No, it's from Planet Photoshop.

I think it's from a 3d software package.

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And, incredibly, completely mask its sonic boom in so doing.

Who said it masked its sonic boom?

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I'm not sure what they mean here. Can anyone decipher this and perhaps give some calculation on how fast this thing would actually be going?

That's 0 to 1552.5 MPH in ten seconds!

Morgan

Mad Kally · 03-19-2003, 03:26 PM

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MorganV12:
Don't you see, it all makes sense, the aliens are going to raise the dead. We will all have to worship a great grey god.:notworthy

Those robotic mosquitos had better hurry. Benny Hinn is going to beat them....you wait.

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BENNY HINN SAYS THE DEAD IN THEIR CASKETS
WILL BE RAISED TO LIFE IN FRONT OF TV SETS

The following is a transcription of what Benny Hinn said on Paul and Jan Crouch's TBN television program (Praise The Lord, Trinity Broadcasting Network, October 19, 1999):

Benny Hinn: But here's first what I see for TBN. You're going to have people raised from the dead watching this network. You're going to have people raised from the dead watching TBN. Programs -- just plain programs -- programs that haven't done much when it comes to supernatural manifestations -- teaching programs. It's not going to be a Benny Hinn saying "Stretch your hands." It's going to be your average teaching program, your normal Christian program that's blessing the church. There's going to be such power on these programs people will be raised from the dead worldwide. I'm telling you, I see this in the Spirit. It's going to be so awesome. Jesus I give you praise for this -- that people around the world -- maybe not so much in America -- people around the world who will lose loved ones, will say to undertakers, "Not yet. I want to take my dead loved one and place him in front of that TV set for 24 hours."

Paul Crouch: Benny Hinn! Jesus!

Benny Hinn: I'm telling you. People will be -- people -- I'm telling you, I feel the anointing talking here. People are going to be canceling funeral services and bringing their dead in their caskets, placing them -- my God! I feel the anointing here -- placing them before a television set, waiting for God's power to come through and touch them. And it's going to happen time and time -- so much it's going to spread. You're going to hear it from Kenya to Mexico to Europe to South America, where people will be raised from the -- so much so that the Word will spread that if some dead person be put in front of this TV screen, they will be raised from the dead and they will be by the thousands. You wait.

MorganV12 · 03-19-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Mad Kally
Those robotic mosquitos had better hurry. Benny Hinn is going to beat them....you wait.

Don't you see...Those are the aliens!

Morgan

Aethernaut · 03-19-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by MorganV12
What the author says is the Star Trek view of interstellar space travel is unrealistic

Uh, yeah. That's why it's fiction

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With nuclear powered Star Trek ships you're lucky to even get one percent the speed of light, as opposed to nano-star ships, which could reach a higher percentage of the speed of light, and with far less energy than it would take to push the Enterprise to 1% c. Not to mention the lower costs per ship as well.

Uh, no. <geek>According to Roddenberry it's a matter-antimatter reaction that generates unbelievable amounts of energy which powers a drive system that creates a field that negates time dialation and g-force effects and instantly propels a vessel at trans-light speeds.</geek>

See, just as viable and non-fictional as the "theory" of creating nano-starships to explore the universe.

Most of the content of site referenced in the OP is fiction, and bad fiction at that. The typical dreck of the new age movement.

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Star Trek is fast and loose with space fantasy, not science fiction.

I said "Trek plays fast and loose with science" not science fiction. Of course, the page you referenced doesn't even come close to touching on science which makes Trek at least seem a little more reputable.

And you still haven't answered my question: how does one debunk a space opera? Particularly since it has very little basis in real science and is concerned more with telling a story or exploring the human condition. And that includes "Clark [sic]."

MODERATORS: Can I request that this thread be moved to ~Elsewhere~ since it's quite obvious that it's not concerned with real science?

Tenpudo · 03-19-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
From the site:

As you can see this vehicle is not from earth.

No, it's from Planet Photoshop.

Planet Photoshop? Talk about your specialty restaurants! How's the food there, anyway?

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03-19-2003, 01:01 PM	#13
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	From the site: As you can see this vehicle is not from earth. No, it's from Planet Photoshop. Interestingly enough the vessel is not capable of interstellar or interplanetary flight. It is strictly used for terrestrial purposes, why it's called a Surveyor. So that's where all those little sticks with orange ribbons are coming from? It can reach speeds up to 7000 mph And, incredibly, completely mask its sonic boom in so doing. and accelerate at over 75 Gs within 10 seconds! I'm not sure what they mean here. Can anyone decipher this and perhaps give some calculation on how fast this thing would actually be going?

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