Spaz

Maybe by your interpretation but not the catholics, obviously.

Magus55

Actually they can't. How can you support Catholic doctrine with the Bible, when the idea the doctrine supports doesn't even exist in the Bible?


From Catechism:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135


The Bible:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Magus55

Or maybe, since Catholic doctrine comes from a man who claims to be infallible, states there are other ways to Heaven other than Jesus, kisses the Koran, and raises Mary above Jesus, that Catholicism is heresy and no biblical? I'm not talking about interpretations here - you can't interpret Mary as being the Queen of Heaven or saviour of the human race when its not even in the Bible to interpret!!

Mary is barely mentioned in the Bible, yet Mary is the most important figure in Catholicism. She is equal to Jesus, and sometimes exalted above Him.

Mageth

About the Immaculate Conception, ask this site, which posits an interpretation of Genesis 3:15 as a biblical source for the doctrine. If you don't agree with their interpretation, which like many Xian doctrines (catholic and non-catholic) is a bit of a stretch, take it up with them, not me.

As far as your scriptures go (the Romans one, at least), and to give you a more correct understanding of the Doctrine of Immaculate Conception, you can go here for the Catholic response.

As far as Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved," you'll find that Catholics would also cite as doctrine that all are indeed saved through Christ, even Mary (by anticipation; see the second website).

Spaz

Just so you don't get confused Magus, Mageth accidentally put a comma at the end of that first link so it doesn't work, for your convenience: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

Mageth

Or maybe, since Catholic doctrine comes from a man who claims to be infallible

Like Immaculate Conception, I think you have poor understanding of Papal Infallibility. Why don't you look it up and do a little reading on the websites I posted.

states there are other ways to Heaven other than Jesus

And I believe, if you asked the Pope or did a little research, you'd find that those the Pope thus extended extra-church grace to also get to heave through Jesus.

...yet Mary is the most important figure in Catholicism. She is equal to Jesus, and sometimes exalted above Him

Another ignorant statement, that. I'd like you to find that "doctrine" on a genuine RC apologetics site like the ones I posted.

Magus55

Then why does the Catechism say Mary can save souls from Hell and is the way to Heaven?

Mageth

Thanks for the heads up, Spaz. I fixed it in my post.

Magus55

Back, to the original topic: There is too much information on the problems with the RCC, and you can find tons at Rapture Ready. Not going through it all and arguing with a bunch of atheists.

Demigawd

I agree with you, Magus55. There are problems with Catholicism. But then again, there's problems a-plenty with any religion, including your apparent denomination of one (i.e. Messianic Jew). A fundy such as yourself pointing an accusatory finger at another Christian sect is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.