Bree

So, if you have an orgasm, sex is automatically okay? As long as your body reacts to stimuli, then the act (no matter what it is) is suddenly acceptable?

Totalitarianist

Nonsense. Children are moral philosophers. They create their own values, morals, etc. This is the opinion of many great men, namely Nietzsche. Also, with the correct education, there is little a mentally competent child cannot understand.

I must confess: I do have a slight attraction towards them. Of course, I am quite young myself, so it is justified.

Bree

Are you considering acting upon these feelings?

lunachick

Education, or manipulation? And what is "correct" in that 'education' context?

Totalitarianist

By the morality of most, if both agree to it, and if it causes no harm, whether physical or psychological, it is okay. The only thing that has to be demonstrated, therefore, is that there is no psychological or physical harm induced by it. For this, I think, we can look at various cultures of the world, in which such activities are socially acceptable, and no signs of any harm have been noticed, to the surprise of the researchers, both in long-term and short-term studies. Remember, we are talking about consensual sexual experiences. Most studies, in fact, include rape and molestation as objects of their research to arrive at such conclusions regarding the acceptability such activities.

Loren Pechtel

The problem is that any relationship with a great imbalance of power must be looked at *VERY* closely and in many cases the law quite rightly bans it outright.

With two 7 year olds you have a lack of knowledge and judgement--there's nothing about 7 that precludes STD's. With a 7 year old and an adult you have a great power imbalance. Neither relationship is acceptable.

Note, also, that at that age they normally engage in exploration, not sex play per se. Playing doctor is about anatomy, not sex.

Totalitarianist

I would have thought that the people here would by now understand my moral code. Unless reproduction is involved, I think all sexual experiences are wrong. The thing is, however, that two activies can be equally wrong. Man-boy sex is wrong not because a boy is involved, but because reroduction is not part of the equation. In my perspective, therefore, is is just as bad as regular, everyday heterosexual sex that does not involve reproduction.

Bree

Therefore we can assume your "relationship" involves a woman, not a man. If it involved man/man sexual relations, that would oviously be wrong because reproduction is not part of the equation. Correct?

If this is the outlook you have, then you cannot (or should not, according to your belief system) have sex with a girl who has not yet had her period. If she has not had her period, then she cannot reproduce, and therefore she should not be having sex. Correct?

Forgive me for being obtuse - but there are 5000+ posters here at IIDB, and I'm not so good as to be able to remember each and every religious philosophy.

scigirl

Know it - yes. Understand it? Not a chance.

How do you feel about the following acts:

1) Sex between a man and a woman when she is not ovulationg.

2) Sex between a married couple after the woman has gone through menopause.

3) Sex with a woman or man, for various medical reasons, has become sterile.

4) wet dreams (a man has a sexual experience completely out of his control

5) sex with a pregnant woman

If you think any of these situations are ok - than why do you justify some, and not other, sex acts that are not going to lead to babies?

scigirl

Totalitarianist

Yes, but so is all heterosexual sex which does not result in an embryo.

Of course.