mike_decock

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Originally posted by Starboy
Spurly, how about :

1) The word "truth" is used in almost everything spouted from the mouths of Christians (yet they have nothing but the bible to back them up)

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Some Christians happen to be good humanitarians. There's good humanitarians from all walks of life and Christians do not hold a monopoly on that market.

Try reading some of the testimonies of ex-Christians who were shunned/disowned/abandoned by their Christian friends and families.

My salvation came from finally freeing myself from Christianity. That horrible belief system had me trapped in a cycle of depression that almost killed me.

Kevin, you seem to be a pretty nice guy and I don't doubt your sincerity. It's just sad that you can't see how harmful Christianity is.

-Mike...

Nowhere357

A good god would not punish people for eternity.
The xian god punishes people for eternity.
Therefore the xian god is not good.

Therefore moral people should seek enlightenment through some means other than xianity.

Magus55

A righteous God can't let people get away with their crimes.
An evil God wouldn't send his son to earth to save humanity from their crimes.
An evil God wouldn't give you ample time to seek salvation before Judging you.

Starboy

More Christian fraud? Spouting off about a god when you can't even produce evidence that there is a god. Lies, lies and more lies. How could anyone take Christianity for anything but a big con?

Nowhere357

Hi Magus. I've thought about what you say here very carefully.

In a general sort of way, I have no problem with these statements.

But not one of your points directly addresses my position.

To make it easier, I list here only my first point.

A good god would not punish people for eternity.

Please address this point, and only this point. Perhaps we can make progress.

Magus55

He HAS to punish people for eternity, because sin against God is an eternal crime. The soul is eternal, therefore, its an eternal sentence. For God to let the person go, or just make them cease to exist would make him unjust, because they deserve their sentence for their sins.

Radorth

Oh my. My otherwise tiring day is made.

"Assaulted by a crucifix"? I disagree intensely with most Catholic practices. I think the Mormon "faith" is truly insulting when they tell us some golden plates were lost a mere 175 years ago. But I can't say I ever felt "assaulted" by a crucifix or one of those vapid Mormon ads.

You really must get one of those newfangled remotes with the channel flicker there Mike.

Well OK. So do I on my job, which is about 90% atheist science/engineering types. I hardly feel persecuted or threatened because I can't go around blabbing about what I believe. My view is that I can respond if somebody asserts something I disagree with but it would not be right for me to strike up philosophical discussions on my job. I'm there to work.

In fact I just talk to the two Christians I know there (out of approx 100 I know) and pretty much leave it at that.

Rad

Radorth

What if they continue to sin, i.e. rebel against the commandments and limits set by God?

Rad

Nowhere357

None of this contradicts my point. Therefore I am forced to treat this as a concession that my point is correct.

Unless you wish to try again?

Opera Nut

Mike, Good for YOU!!! We've had some similar experiences of major depression and the false hope of happy happy joy joy Christians. I'm glad you've explained things cogently.

So the Christians are not all over the TV? What do I have a choice of watching on Sunday morning? (Before you answer, I do not have cable and do not intend to get it.) One pentecostal preacher, one methodist preacher, one baptist preacher, and the talking heads news shows putting out whatever the government wants to tell us. And two all-Jeezus-all-the-time channels. Indoctrination and conformity.

Do I EVER see any programs about say, the history and concepts of Zoroastrianism? Hinduism? Judaism? Islam? Bahai? Buddhism? Zen? Voodoo? Santeria? African religions? Chinese New Year? Meditation techniques? Native American Spirituality? Or secular humanism? NOPE.

I see local shows on things like "the Treasures of the Vatican" art exhibit. I see local shows that always have a Christian slant, such as Christian funerals for celebrities and fallen policemen. There is never any discussion of the other spiritual communities in a large multicultural city. I see Midnight Mass at St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome as televised by "NBC News". This is news? It's a ceremonial ritual that is followed by millions, but it is also NOT observed by millions more. I only watch it to look at the artwork of bernini and Michelangelo.

This is pretty disgusting. The TV owners don't want people to see that there are other choices in life, they want people to think that the ONLY religion out there is christianity and that is not true.

NOPE. NEVER. None of those.

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