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scombrid · 01-07-2002, 08:33 AM

I pulled this from the newswire story on a RI school committee that is deciding whether to open meetings with a prayer.

Quote:

"There is no assumption that a deity exists. It's a fact that a deity exists because we have In God We Trust on our coin. If it wasn't a fact we wouldn't have the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, would we," Boucher said

I'm convinced.

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crazyfingers · 01-07-2002, 08:40 AM

I feel sorry for the kids if that's the kind of reasoning going on at the school committee meeting.

What town was it in Massachusetts? Got a link?

scombrid · 01-07-2002, 08:59 AM

<a href="http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2911828&BRD=1712&PAG=461&dept_id=2 4361&rfi=6" target="_blank">news story</a>

crazyfingers · 01-07-2002, 09:09 AM

Woonsocket, RI. At least not Massachusetts. But I thought that Rhode Islanders had more sense. At least the ACLU of RI is on top of this.

Writer@Large · 01-07-2002, 09:25 AM

"There is no assumption that Santa Claus exists. It's a fact that Santa exists because NORAD tracks his flight every year. If it wasn't a fact we wouldn't have songs about him, would we?"

Ho ho ho ... and dumb dumb dumb.

At least committee member Ward seems to have his head on straight, and knows the counters for all the standard arguments.

--W@L

Jewel · 01-07-2002, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scombrid:
<strong>"There is no assumption that a deity exists. It's a fact that a deity exists because we have In God We Trust on our coin. If it wasn't a fact we wouldn't have the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, would we," Boucher said
</strong>

Maybe that's the approach that should be used to get rid of IGWT and the Under God in the pledge. Prove it exists or remove it.

Just a thought.

-jewel

bonduca · 01-08-2002, 04:01 AM

er...in the pledge it says something about "liberty and justice for all," too.

Everyone knows THAT is also a "fact."

butswana · 01-08-2002, 05:33 AM

Does that mean God didn't exist in 1928 when my one dollar silver certificates were printed?

Megatron · 01-08-2002, 05:57 AM

Quote:

"There is no assumption that a deity exists. It's a fact that a deity exists because we have In God We Trust on our coin. If it wasn't a fact we wouldn't have the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, would we," Boucher said

Quick... someone get my barf bag.

Euromutt · 01-08-2002, 06:19 AM

The obvious answer is that trust can be misplaced (ask any Native American who signed a treaty on the 19th century) and that the line should be "one nation, under a large number of geosynchronous communicaitons satellites and intermittent cloud cover".

indeed.

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01-07-2002, 08:40 AM	#2
crazyfingers Contributor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 13,699	I feel sorry for the kids if that's the kind of reasoning going on at the school committee meeting. What town was it in Massachusetts? Got a link?

01-07-2002, 08:59 AM	#3
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	<a href="http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2911828&BRD=1712&PAG=461&dept_id=2 4361&rfi=6" target="_blank">news story</a>

01-07-2002, 09:09 AM	#4
crazyfingers Contributor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 13,699	Woonsocket, RI. At least not Massachusetts. But I thought that Rhode Islanders had more sense. At least the ACLU of RI is on top of this.

01-07-2002, 09:25 AM	#5
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	"There is no assumption that Santa Claus exists. It's a fact that Santa exists because NORAD tracks his flight every year. If it wasn't a fact we wouldn't have songs about him, would we?" Ho ho ho ... and dumb dumb dumb. At least committee member Ward seems to have his head on straight, and knows the counters for all the standard arguments. --W@L

01-08-2002, 04:01 AM	#7
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	er...in the pledge it says something about "liberty and justice for all," too. Everyone knows THAT is also a "fact."

01-08-2002, 05:33 AM	#8
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	Does that mean God didn't exist in 1928 when my one dollar silver certificates were printed?

01-08-2002, 06:19 AM	#10
Euromutt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Netherlands (the Kingdom of the Dammed) Posts: 687	The obvious answer is that trust can be misplaced (ask any Native American who signed a treaty on the 19th century) and that the line should be "one nation, under a large number of geosynchronous communicaitons satellites and intermittent cloud cover". indeed.

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