Soul Invictus

The Trinity concept appears elusive in definition.

Christ is the second person in the Trinity, with the Father being first, right?That would mean that Christ is his own father, since they all exist concurrently.


The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten - just the same before as after! That would make Christ as old as his father (since he was there in the beginning) and the father as young as his son.

Lastly, the Holy Ghost proceeded from the father and son, before he existed, yet is the same age as the other two!

This makes no sense at all, and I am looking forward to a lucid definition for this nebulous concept.

Regards,

Invictus

mark9950

If you would only believe in magus55 three in one diety

River

"Seeing is believing " is the most ignorant human concept on Planet Earth . Do you believe in water? or H20? How do you know? Have you seen the lil' Hydrogen molecules? or the more massive Oxygen? Yet you believe, with all your heart. 90% of the stuff you believe, you do not directly see, whether it be Science , or Religion. And Probability shows, considering how little we know, there is a high likely hood of something happening than not.

mark9950

Seeing is believing,I see water and could realy care less what it is made of I see it.

I see my car and am only concerned if it does not run,I see many things and do not even care about the composition.

I have never seen the shape of the earth.The hebrew bible says it is flat,but there are problems with that belief like the fact that when it is day here in the US it is night in australia.If the earth was flat like the ancient hebrews believed day would be all over the earth at the same time.

mike_decock

Next time you're at the ocean, hold a straight edge in front of you and line it up with the horizon. You can see the curvature of the earth.

-Mike...

Darth Dane

Or get in a high building, I saw teh curve from the Eiffel tower!





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Magus55

Mark - why do you bring up the flat Earth argument on 90% of all your posts? Are you trying to be funny? The Bible NEVER says the Earth is flat! You said it was flat - the Bible doesn't. A sphere is a circle - using the word circle in the Bible does not mean flat!! Would you get off it already. :banghead:

Mageth

A sphere is a circle

Wrong. You just failed Geometry 101.

Magus55

Websters:

Entry Word: sphere
Function: noun
Text: 1
Synonyms BALL 1, globe, orb, rondure, round
2
Synonyms FIELD, bailiwick, champaign, demesne, domain, dominion, province, terrain, territory, walk
Related Word circle, jurisdiction, realm

I'm well aware of the mathematical definition of a circle compared to a sphere, but a sphere is in fact circular in shape. Look at the planet from space at any angle - you will not see a sphere, you will see a circle.

The hebrew word used in the bible in relation to the Earth's shape is khoog which means a circle, a sphere. The Bible does not say the Earth is flat - atheists just love trying to make it seem so to disprove the Bible. Get off the flat earth argument - its getting annoying.

Mageth

Your Webster's definition does nothing to help your case. Sphere and circle are not synonymous.


From Strong's Concordance: :

chuwg {khoog}
a primitive root [compare 02287]; TWOT - 615; v

AV - compassed 1; 1

1) to encircle, encompass, describe a circle, draw round, make a circle
1a) (Qal) to encircle, encompass
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chuwg {khoog}
from 2328; TWOT - 615a; n m

AV - circle 1, circuit 1, compass 1; 3

1) circle, circuit, compass
2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens)


Find me one authoratative source where khoog is defined also as "sphere."

Look at the planet from space at any angle - you will not see a sphere, you will see a circle.

Umm, I'm gifted with 3-dimensional vision. I would see a sphere. (Incidentally, I thought you said a sphere was a circle???)

The Bible does not say the Earth is flat - atheists just love trying to make it seem so to disprove the Bible. Get off the flat earth argument - its getting annoying.

I have no idea as to whether the writers of the bible knew the earth was a sphere or not. It may be that they did - the Greeks and others of the time apparently recognized that fact, so the Biblical writers may well have learned that fact from them (no divine inspiration needed). So don't accuse me of making the flat earth argument - I don't, and I don't need to to "disprove" the bible.

I'm merely pointing out that your argument against the cited passage is bogus - the word used does not mean sphere, and a sphere is not a circle.