mark9950

http://news.sify.com/cgi-bin/sifynew...6461&page_no=1

The thing is how could a GOD allow this to happen and by the way who did the damage the christians or muslims?

Go figure

Magus55

How could God allow what to happen? The Garden of Eden to be buried and destroyed? It had no purpose after the fall of humanity. The world was no longer perfect, so it was left to be destroyed. You also have to prove that what that article is talking about is in fact the Garden of Eden. It was most likely in that general area, but not necessarily what the article is talking about.

Sauron

If that was the case, then why did God banish man and woman, and put an angel at the border? Does God normally send angels to guard things that he no longer has any use for?

Volker.Doormann

The Garden of Eden is a symbol. The origin Hebrew ‘gan eden’ literally means ‘garden of joy’. As some holy things not to be exposed in detail, the creation of life process is described in symbols. Taking the meaning of the Hebrew terms, Genesis 2/3 speaks of the physical process to create life from two naked creatures. The male symbol is the tree of life and the female symbol - the female womb - is the ‘garden of joy’. The process in detail can be decoded by the Hebrew meaning of the Hebrew words:

Gen 2:9: "And the Lord of the gods has let grown trees ... tempting to contemplation ... and he put the 'Tree of Life' inmidst of the 'garden of joy' ... In the 'garden of joy' a river is flowing, to water it. This (process) is sequenced in four phases: The first phase is called Pishon, it means growing, increasing, enlarge. Then a circle shaped hole (Havilah) is 'comprised' (cabab). In the second phase something is 'bursting out' (Gihon). In the third phase something is 'moving' (halak) 'a step' 'rapidly' (Chiddqel) 'forwards' (qidmah) (Ashshuwr). In the fourth phase something is 'grow tired' or 'collapsing' or 'break down' (per-awth=EuPhrat)."

This myth is taken from the prolog of the Gigamesh Epos from about 2800 BCE:

"After heaven and earth had been separated and mankind had been created, after Anucircum, Enlil and Ereskigal had taken posesssion of heaven, earth and the underworld; after Enki had set sail for the underworld and the sea ebbed and flowed in honor of its lord; on this day, a huluppu tree which had been planted on the banks of the Euphrates and nourished by its waters was uprooted by the south wind and carried away by the Euphrates. A goddess who was wandering among the banks seized the swaying tree And -- at the behest of Anu and Enlil -- brought it to Inanna's garden in Uruk. Inanna tended the tree carefully and lovingly she hoped to have a throne and a bed made for herself from its wood. After ten years, the tree had matured. But in the meantime, she found to her dismay that her hopes could not be fulfilled because during that time a dragon had built its nest at the foot of the tree the Zu-bird was raising its young in the crown, and the demon Lilith had built her house in the middle. But Gilgamesh, who had heard of Inanna's plight, came to her rescue. He took his heavy shield killed the dragon with his heavy bronze axe, which weighed seven talents and seven minas. Then the Zu-bird flew into the mountains with its young, while Lilith, petrified with fear, tore down her house and fled into the wilderness."

There is also a Sumerian ‘garden of joy’, which is called Dilmun. It is mentioned in the legend of ‘Sargon of Akkad’.

"The first known account of a paradisial garden appears on a cuneiform tablet from ancient Sumer. Here we learn of the mythical place called Dilmun, a pure, clean, bright place where sickness, violence, and old age do not exist. At first this paradise lacks only one thing: water. Dilmun, however, is a paradise for the gods alone and not for human beings, although one learns that Ziusudra (= Utnapishtim, the Sumerian counterpart of Noah) was exceptionally admitted to the divine garden."
(Encyclopedia of Archetypal Symbolism)

It is the water, of which is spoken in the ‘garden of joy’ in the Genesis. And as in those ancient times, this garden of joy is holy in secret until today.

Volker

mark9950

If it is a symbol or literal place?Does your old testament tell you it is a symbol or literal place?

If it does not specify we cannot really put our own spin on it.Can we?

Volker.Doormann

Recognition is different to ideas. Ideas are syntethic creations of the mind. Recognition is a process of perception of the very own individal consciousness about that, what is. The thruth of the perception depends on the state of consciuosness of the individual. No one must recognize; he still can ask skeptical questions. But never ever asking questions has created knowledge; Knowledge is only to be created through recognition.
If one do not recognize something, he do know nothing.

Recognotion begins with the recognition of the self. Is the asking self real? Or a hoax? Who is it who asks? A reality? A chemical mind? A educated memory?

Knowledge is a very individual thing; not to be specified external of an individual.

Volker

mark9950

because people get different meanings (spins) from the bible?Such as SAB

If so,is that the reason why there are so many religions based on the testaments?

Also if those two reasons are the case,Is that the way a God wants us to understand it,A God that is not clearly understood can be confusing.

Magus55

There are only 2 religions that come from the Testaments, Christianity and Judaism ( unless you count Islam possibly stealing ideas from the Bible, but no clue if thats actually true). Maybe you were referring to denominations?

SAB doesn't get different meanings from the Bible, they just paste whatever they don't understand, that could possibly appear to be a contradiction to lurkers down on the page and say - this is an error - the Bible is wrong!

Denominations are what we call organized religion. They make it their own agenda to gain followers by changing the writing or making up their own ideas about it. Some are more subtle ( Methodist, Evangelical etc.), others are down right heresy and false doctrine ( Catholicism, JW, Mormonism).

There are so many interpretations, because humans are fallible, sinful people and change God's word to build up their churches treasury. If more denominations followed the Bible explicitly, there would be more unity within Christianity. I'm not a supporter of organized religion, I think it causes too many problems. While church can be a good social outlet and learning time, you have to be very careful about what the church twists - always compare it to the Bible.

Toto

Are you saying that all churches preach false doctrine? Or is there one church that is true?

Magus55

I don't know about all. Each towns church is different. AS a whole, i'm sure every denomination has altered the Bible some ( although thats just based on what iv'e heard,since i've only been to a methodist church once). There are some good churches out there that to follow the Bible strictly, just can take some time to find them.