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Comquirk · 04-22-2003, 07:19 AM

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[BAnd if being Anti-Xian makes one an idiot, well, don't swing a thurible in this board, 'cause you're sure to clobber an idiot!
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True, I should have been more specific on that one. Few of us here are violently anti-xian. I dislike'em, but would never resort to blows.

Totalitarianist · 04-22-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Comquirk
Well, "Gothic" Satanism - you know, your goat sacrificing , blood drinking, "evil" people; are indeed idiots, as gothic Satanism isn't actually Satanism.

Real Satanists, while professing an admirable doctrine of live and let live and indulgence rather than abstience, can still be idiots bevause many are still quite Anti-Xian (Despite being against some core doctrines).

Like any religion or nontheism, there are always the idiots in the crowd.

I know what Satanism is. I have read all these ridiculous sites which tell us about "real" Satanism, and how the devil-worshiping Satanists are wrong. I am speaking of the devil-worshiping Satanists, and the so-called "real" Satanists. The former are vermin, but the latter are not that much better, in my opinion.

Totalitarianist · 04-22-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Arikay
I think that was one of the Saddest posts ive read here.

Are you sure you really know what a Satanist is?

An FAQ: http://www.churchofsatan.org/faq.html

The irony here is that if the Satanists trully do the opposite of everyone, then they should treat you nice since you have decided they are crap, ending up proving themselves the bigger person.

LOL! I have read all the principal pages of that website many, many times. After reading it once again, I have concluded that they are worse than Nazis. And I know exactly what Satanism is.

Totalitarianist · 04-22-2003, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Jayjay
I wouldn't equate satanists with nazis, since I don't think they're intentionally evil (referring here to the "philosophical" satanists instead of wannabe goth satan worshippers), just pathetic. Attention-seeking children.

In my opinion, delinquency is the worst of all crimes.

And the Nazis were not "intentionally evil".

The philosophical Satanists believe in quite a lot of utter crap.

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Seems to me they're just wanting to rebel, even their moral code seems like it's written not with the question "what is good?" in mind but "how can I distinguish myself from those blasted xians?".

Sounds more like the so-called philosophical Satanists to me. Just read their website. The scum.

Abel Stable · 04-22-2003, 10:55 AM

Isn't one of the main tenets of LaVey Satanism that you should give your love only to those that deserve it? That sounds an awful lot like the Christian God's love- the deserving being those who hold faith in Jesus & etc. Everyone else can burn in hell for all He cares...

Totalitarianist · 04-22-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Abel Stable
Isn't one of the main tenets of LaVey Satanism that you should give your love only to those that deserve it? That sounds an awful lot like the Christian God's love- the deserving being those who hold faith in Jesus & etc. Everyone else can burn in hell for all He cares...

It also sounds a lot like the Nazis (and many were Satanists).

Jayjay · 04-22-2003, 11:03 AM

I still think there's a qualitative difference between "satanist evil" and "nazi evil". Nazis have a fascist/racist political agenda; satanists seem to have some sort of hedonistic personal agenda. That makes nazis and their ilk more dangerous and repugnant than satanists. But they're still pathetic.

Totalitarianist · 04-22-2003, 11:12 AM

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I still think there's a qualitative difference between "satanist evil" and "nazi evil". Nazis have a fascist/racist political agenda; satanists seem to have some sort of hedonistic personal agenda. That makes nazis and their ilk more dangerous and repugnant than satanists. But they're still pathetic.

What?? The Nazis were bad because they were anti-semites, not because they were Fascists. There is nothing wrong with Fascism, so long as there is no anti-Semitism. Are you forgetting that Musollini was a Fascist, before he was an anti-semite, before he allied with Hitler? Why, he created Fascism, and he was not that bad, in my opinion.

Yes, Satanists are often hedonists -- which is worse than anything of which I can think at the moment, which degrades mankind more than any other ideology.

Jayjay · 04-22-2003, 11:20 AM

Another person's hedonism doesn't offend me nearly as much as another person's fascism, because the former is inherently a personal business whereas the latter is a political agenda. I don't see how it degrades mankind if a group of likeminded people are having roman orgies in someone's basement, but fascist ideologies are an ugly stain in world history.

Totalitarianist · 04-22-2003, 12:31 PM

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Another person's hedonism doesn't offend me nearly as much as another person's fascism, because the former is inherently a personal business whereas the latter is a political agenda. I don't see how it degrades mankind if a group of likeminded people are having roman orgies in someone's basement, but fascist ideologies are an ugly stain in world history.

Nah.

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04-22-2003, 10:55 AM	#15
Abel Stable Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 356	Isn't one of the main tenets of LaVey Satanism that you should give your love only to those that deserve it? That sounds an awful lot like the Christian God's love- the deserving being those who hold faith in Jesus & etc. Everyone else can burn in hell for all He cares...

04-22-2003, 11:03 AM	#17
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	I still think there's a qualitative difference between "satanist evil" and "nazi evil". Nazis have a fascist/racist political agenda; satanists seem to have some sort of hedonistic personal agenda. That makes nazis and their ilk more dangerous and repugnant than satanists. But they're still pathetic.

04-22-2003, 11:20 AM	#19
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	Another person's hedonism doesn't offend me nearly as much as another person's fascism, because the former is inherently a personal business whereas the latter is a political agenda. I don't see how it degrades mankind if a group of likeminded people are having roman orgies in someone's basement, but fascist ideologies are an ugly stain in world history.

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