Evil Milkman

Honestly, what the hell? So people who haven't heard of the Biblical god don't burn? Support that Biblically, like I asked you to support your Genesis asserstions. I'm still waiting.

And besides, using my own reasoning skills, wouldn't it better for this god not to allow a person to "enter the race" than to drop out and "burn"?

Come on Amos, if you're going to make ridiculous comments, at least make an honest attempt at supporting them with your instruction manual, okay?

Amos

Sorry Evil Milkman (love your name)

I've been through this so often but here goes especially for you.

Heaven and hell are religion specific. I mean you can't drag a Buddhist into our heaven because his Nirvana is equal to our heaven. That whole "Great Commision" thing is protestant slavery to sooth the pains of hell.

So people who are not part of our mythology will not go to our heaven nor our hell. Buddhism has its own equivalent of heaven and hell (roughly).

When do we arrive in heaven? When we have completed the race. When do we enter the race? When we are born again.

What about those who do not enter the race in Christendom? Cold is OK and hot is OK. Lukewarm is not and therefore we best be careful when we drag somebody else into the 'born again' thing especially if we ourselves are stuck in a rut and want others to be like us to make us feel good about ourselves. They fucking stink and are the scum of the earth and that is why Catholicsm wants nothing to do with it.

God doesn't make anybody enter the race because God comes as a thief in the night and will never leave us nor forsake us.

Here is the difference from Jn.1:13 "who are born of Godnot by carnal desire or man's willing it, but by God.

Two kinds of rebirth, the protestant way is the first one and they get the scorpion, and the second is the Catholic way and they get the fish.

Amos

Salvation is equal to metamorphosis and is native to man. Golding wrote that it is as easy as eating and drinking (The Spire) and so not much is needed to achieve this.

Religions aim is to intensify this and so produce the great minds that Catholic history is so famous for. It cost nothing and is very beneficial for the entire civilization and the value of the Church's art is still the envey of the world and will always be that. But it is not just the artist who produced this. It is the collective consciousness of the Church (based on the Alpha and Omega concept) and so we are the Church etc.

Rejecting God is an important step towards salvation (metamorphosis) because we must be like Paul, who was a persecutor, or Jonah, who was running away from God, or the prodigal son, etc. The Church knows this (they wrote the good book on it) and is really happy when its children leave their 'roost.' What they don't want is that protestant marauders to fornicate them into hell (which they think is a promise of heaven).

Amos

In Gen.1 "God said" . . . and so created the essence of existence.

On each of the first six days it clearly states that evening came and morning followed (except in protestants bibles maybe who got this wrong already on page 1, lol). On the seventh day evening did not follow the day to make this the sun-day when we remain of the everlasting light. Go to Rev.22:5 and read "the night shall be no more."

The seventh day is part of Gen.2 where we come full circle in eternal existence because that is where creation takes form by Lord God. This makes Lord God second cause. Also the plan of salvation is described in the river that becomes four branches, divides between good and evil (where the gold is good etc.) and returns to the Eu-phrates which means 'bright mind' (I have elabotaed on this many times).

In Gen.3 'like god' was created. 'Like god' is our ego consciousness, third cause, and is wherein we know between good and evil. It is wherein we know shame (cf the no-shame/shame distinction between Gen.2:25 and Gen.3:7) and so is is easy to see that 'like god' is our conscious mind there called Tree of Knowledge. In our ego consciousness were are banned from the Tree of Life (which must be our subconscious mind) and can return there if and when we are willing to place the TOK subservient to the TOL. The TOL is woman (later personified with Mary) and the TOK is human and so the final victory is for woman to take charge over the TOK and this time reign surpreme . . . which is why the Catholic Church has the Assumption and Coronation of Mary which is the equivalent of Krishna being in charge of golden chariot that once was a donkey in the life of Joseph the enterprising Jew.

Amos

Catholic theology holds the following, still today, and now I hear this Pope no longer considders protestants our "brethren" but returned to "seperated brethren" which is just a nice way to call them lost.

Heaven is for Catholics only but not all Catholics go to heaven.

Protestants can only go to hell but not all protestants end up in hell.

Purgatory is the time spend to work out your own salvation in 42 months (cf. Rev 13 the first and second beast). The gospels take place in purgatory between the rebirth of Joseph, now called Jesus, and the crucifixion of his ego identity.

Hawkingfan

Don't flatter yourself.

Evil Milkman

Ok Amos, so did Yahweh want this "fall" to occur, or not? I'm getting confused in all this Catholic elitism and protestants burning to death jibberish...

Amos

In Gen.2 the woman of the TOL saw that the TOK was good for gaining wisdom, beauty and food. This means that the conscious mind is needed to distinguish between good and bad and so preselect that which is worhty to be tied down in the soul (the TOL) for the purpose of adaptation. The entrenched wisdom of our soul becomes the building blocks of the RNA that will or can modify our DNA. In evolution they call this mutation and this shows how our intelligence is the cause of adaptation.

So the fall is good. If gives us a chance to adapt and compete in a changing biological environment.

Evil Milkman

Ok Amos, show some proof or at least some exclusive scientific evidence that shows that "...the entrenched wisdom of our soul becomes the building blocks of the RNA that will or can modify our DNA" or I'm going to stop wasting my time.

This is the first time I've ever heard someone say that the "fall" would be good for our genetics. Although it's a humorous assertion, I don't buy it at all.

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Amos

But you don't have to believe anything I write. You can just go along with the mutation theory as the cause of evolution and your belief in God or no God is yours to figure out as well.

I am just giving you my interpretation and there is lots of science out there for you sort it out on your own.