Gurdur

I really am personally interested in your answers very seriously, since I would be bored to death with SecWeb if I didn't keep track of the personalities of individual posters, and the evolution of their POV's over time.

1) I believe you are a Christian --- why are you a Christian ?

Your Christianity seems odd in view of your comments about Jesus on the "Prince Of Peace" thread, which is why I ask.
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2) Are there any practical social or personal advantages to Christianity here on earth in your opinion ?
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3) Why do you harp so much on being supposedly persecuted ?
You seem to really, really go on and on and on about you and you alone being persecuted ..... and it doesn't seem to fit the facts.
This is a genuine and honest question, not an attempt to get in a dig at you.

Thank-you in advance.

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A note to others: I am really interested in Radorth's factual answers to these questions; and I'ld prefer it if this thread doesn't turn into a flame war.
Thank-you.

Radorth

In my own case because I have long hated this world and the injustice I see all around, and was blown away the first time I read the Gospels for myself. By then I knew philosophers were all half nuts and couldn't agree on the time of day. I discovered Jesus expressed his thoughts and deep feelings in a way I found irresistable I loved Jesus from then on because (even when I doubted the resurrection), I just liked his no bull style. I never liked religious and self-righteous people either, so he and I clicked there as well. He also made many promises which have all come true, including the "living water " promise. I also had several mystical experiences which made the spiritual world seem far more real than the carnal. I marvel skeptics don't sing more of his praises, personally.

This sounds a bit leading, and I am not sure why you ask, or what you are asking really. Can you be more specific or explain what you are asking?

People are welcome to ignore me of course. I was PO'd because Toto lectured me five or more times about other people "doing my work," and not only does he fail to rebuke Radcliffe, but he does all his work for him? Why shouldn't I be PO'd at hypocritical standards, and why just let people go their merry way? (Nobody does it for me.) Jesus hardly ignored it and I consider it loving of him to try wake them out of their self-righteous sleep.

I don't start threads on other people's "problems." I just talk about them when opportunities arise. In this case I admit it was irresistable to say something. Like I said, as soon as people want to treat me like everybody else, and follow their own rules, and look in their own yards, we won't have any problems.

I wouldn't call it persecution so much as a blatant double standard. So you think it's OK to call people names and accuse them of all kinds of hidden motives and arrogance, lie about what they said, (put words in their mouth, cut emphasized words out of their posts), and create threads for the sole purpose of either baiting them or attacking their "problems"?

It seems people were just complaining about Jesus' teaching us to ignore injustice and let people walk all over us, but in the next breath they complain when someone says something.

Rad

Gurdur

Back in those far, far days when I was a Christian myself, I also liked the "Jesus As Social Revolutionary" image, and Matthew's Gospel and Peter's letters.

However, when I read your comments in the "Prince Of Peace" thread, you seemed to me to be adopting a nihilist Christian stance, one without any social implications, and one where you saw Jesus as having no saving graces as a human at all --- which is why I wondered.

It occured to me that you might be a 5-pointer Calvinist who simply didn't see any relevance to the earthly sphere whatsover, that you just thought only salvation to heaven was important.

I won't comment, since I'm trying to understand you, not debate you.

Please see above.

I see, but only through a glass darkly as yet.
For your information, I've been active on SecWeb (this board) for 1½ years, and a member for longer.
I'm a very hard-line atheist, and have been so for quite a long while (though I'm also very tolerant).
During that 1½ years, the people I have fought most and most often here were fellow atheists whose views I couldn't stand ---- I really am of no small reputation here.
My reputation lies mainly in Political Discussion, Philosophy, Morality and MD, but it is none the less real.
And for most of that time or conflict, I have felt quite alone and exposed.
Yet when I look at you, you do things I don't do, such as bringing up the fact you feel persecuted quite often, and IMHO, unnecessarily bringing it up so often.
You seem to be driven to keep on remarking on it, and I wonder why.

Gurdur

{ bump }

Interested in your answers to my respnse, Radorth.

Radorth

Again are people starting threads about your "problems," full of insults and self righteous preaching?

I don't see your case as much the same at all. Kindly post some more specific examples of what you are talking about

I suggest that either,

1. The reality is that I am "persecuted" to a degree although I think more correctly I am "held to a double standard"

or

2. When I see contradictory or hypocritical thinking, I cannot personally resist pointing it out. As I have said, I seem to be able to note contradictions no matter how far separated in space and time. 'Tis a talent and a curse I suppose. I also like to satirize. Call it another of my weaknesses.

or

3. Both

I think my biggest fault may be that God himself wants me to adhere to a double standard, and I am refusing. Of course if turning the cheek is an insult......

Oops there I go again.


Rad

Daggah

Hahahahaha...

If that were true you wouldn't have done such a good job of contradicting yourself regarding who is/isn't a true Christian and what is required for salvation, now, would you?

You're persecuted? Haha. What a joke. You get the treatment you deserve here, Radorth. You cannot honestly say you didn't come here to stir up trouble and whip up EXACTLY the kind of reactions you're getting.

Daggah

Since Radorth seems to be having trouble rediscovering a discussion he started then abandoned...

Gurdur

---> Daggah:

Please re-read my OP on this thread of mine. You are mucking it up, and hijacking it.

Gurdur

----> Radorth:

ooooo, I suspect they're too much in awe of me to do that --- but I do come in for a whole lot of personal attacks. Read the PD and find out.

You wish me to prove I am persecuted ?

What the hell would be the point ?
I could point you here again, but I'm just not interested in demonstrating how persecuted either you or I am.
What I am interested is in why you feel the need to shout how persecuted you are so often, and sometimes quite inappropriately, which is an entirely different issue.

*shrug*
I'm an atheist, so you must appreciate the extra effort I hd to put into my bad reputation with some around here ---- I'm sure if I was a theist, life would be easier on that account.

Again:
Why do you feel the need to constantly stress how persecuted you are ?
Why this constant self-affirmation in such negative terms ?

And I'ld like some answers to my questions regarding your (to me) apparent nihilism infecting your Christianity, if you don't mind.
Thanks.

Radorth

Not really. I'm asking you to show me threads made which invite personal attacks. Most of the "attacks" on you seem to be on your tactics.

I think you are reading too much into some of my posts, and generalizing without giving examples for me to discuss. I have offered some viable options, which you appear to have ignored.

I could be wrong about my motives and so could you.

Rad