FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-28-2003, 02:59 PM   #91
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: On the road to extinction. . .
Posts: 1,485
Default

King Rat
Quote:
I meant respond with something legible.
If you think this is bad you should see my handwriting. The things I could fit on a page.

King Rat
Quote:
So, you are telling me that I need to check your god-product against the god-product of god-product peddling philosophers? Can you not see the problem?
I am not peddling anything, except good humor, a little irony, big logic from reality, a keen sense of the impossibility of classifying the unknown, other than this, I don't see any problems intellectual or philosophical. The only thing I see in front of me is the bully pulpit I wanna clamour over.
sophie is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:06 PM   #92
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 6,855
Default

I'm not a bully, I'm an asshole.

The problem is using one godboy's premise to check the conclusion generated by another godboy. It's like using the bible to prove that the bible is true.
King Rat is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:14 PM   #93
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 3,425
Talking

Quote:
Originally posted by Howard
Then enlighten us please, what method does work with that group?
Why, afterlife blackmail, of course. Simply dress up as an appropriate religious authority figure, then watch them bow down like *#Y$*&s.
winstonjen is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:21 PM   #94
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: On the road to extinction. . .
Posts: 1,485
Default Health Care

Docter X :
Quote:
I would limit the duration. If die a child must for whatever ineffable plan, it need not prove so prolonged unless it is a pretty Incompetent or Evil plan.
I guess health care is on the down shift. Everytime you bash omniGOD, you bash your own ineffectivness in dealing with startling reality. (a non sequitor, but additional information for you to ponder).

But on a more reasonable and serious note, if such a predetermined plan included the intentional suffering of some pretty little angelic eyed babe in a cradle, then I would have to agree, children crying out in endless and eternal pain is somewhat heart rendering. Perhaps a little kindness on the part of the human soldier may help. However seeing the brave and courageous soldiers of Earth are usually rendered meek in the face of such suffering by innocent children, the omniGOD should at the earliest opportunity render the life force on the planet ineffective and irrelevant to cosmic development.

This inaction on the part of the omniGOD does place doubt on the willingness of omniGOD to aid humanity on Earth. If omniGOD then exists and such inaction is of notable concern to some, there may be a small implication we could be in HELL. By that I mean somewhere where one has to fend for oneself without omniPAMPERING.

Otherwise one does have logical impulse to call omniGOD any combination of names available in the universe, including, evil, ineffective, incompetent, or just plainly non-existent.

However if omniGOD does exist, and because of omniGOD's inaction you believe omniGOD to be evil, incompetent or ineffective then I would have to say, omniGOD's fucking ya up man
and as such, the ball is now in your court to initiate some sort of class action. You should therefore go hunt omniGOD, and take care of the bastards (note the plural).

(by the way, this omniGOD friend of yours was in my bed last night)

love

Sophie
sophie is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:31 PM   #95
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: On the road to extinction. . .
Posts: 1,485
Default

King Rat :

Quote:
I'm not a bully, I'm an asshole.
In that case I'll pass on the clamouring over you bit.

King Rat :
Quote:
The problem is using one godboy's premise to check the conclusion generated by another godboy. It's like using the bible to prove that the bible is true.
Well then why not use not(Bible) to show Bible.

However on a more serious note, if we continue to talk the omniTALK, then the premises and conclusions are exchangable by definition. One godboy would have no more truth or no less truth from the other godboy. In actual fact this is a perfect testament to check the consistencies of the two.
sophie is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:32 PM   #96
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 3,425
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by sophie
I suppose it was omniGOD who neglected them, yeh.
Have you ever heard of guilt by omission? An omnimax being would be responsible for everything by default, through commission or omission.
winstonjen is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:38 PM   #97
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 3,794
Default

Quote:
I guess health care is on the down shift. Everytime you bash [a deity--Ed.], you bash your own ineffectivness in dealing with startling reality. (a non sequitor, but additional information for you to ponder).
I, myself, only bash my ineffectiveness with coordinated independence. As for the health care profession, it never claim divine power.

Quote:
. . . if such a predetermined plan included the intentional suffering . . . is somewhat heart rendering.
More specifically, it would prove Evil if a deity wanted it, Incompetence if a deity could not avoid it, or Irrelevance if a deity could do nothing about it.

Quote:
Perhaps a little kindness on the part of the human soldier may help.
Even the most kindness cannot remove the responsibility of a deity--unless he is really non-existent.

Quote:
This inaction on the part of the [deity--Ed.] does place doubt on the willingness of [deity--Ed.] to aid humanity on Earth. . . . I mean somewhere where one has to fend for oneself without omniPAMPERING.
Mitigating the extent and duration of suffering cause by such a case hardly meets the criteria for "pampering."

What follows is not really relevant nor helpful to the discussion.

Quote:
(by the way, this omniGOD friend of yours was in my bed last night)
I can only hope she misspelled "Oh MY GOD!!!"

--J.D.
Doctor X is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:40 PM   #98
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: On the road to extinction. . .
Posts: 1,485
Default

Docter X :
Quote:
Since the child never had "free will" with respect to the development of her predicament, this point proves
that individuality has to possibly bear a heavy burden in its development.

Once we claim omniGOD is dedicated to "free will", we must then examine all possible choices when this very same "free will" becomes retarded, even if faced with the "will of omniGOD". One possibility could be that omniGOD suggestion which indicates time on Earth is in a futile duration cycle and as such reasonable individual action should be attempted.

Note the omniGOD intervention is an intellectual one. Something like "time", if you can read me clearly.

By the way sorry to hi-jack your excellent point.
sophie is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:46 PM   #99
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: On the road to extinction. . .
Posts: 1,485
Default

winstonjen :
Quote:
Have you ever heard of guilt by omission? An omnimax being would be responsible for everything by default, through commission or omission.
But you also missed, "not-responsible" due to being an omniMAX being. SO we re-write this as :

Quote:
Quote:
Have you ever heard of guilt by omission? An omnimax being would be responsible for everything by default, through commission or omission. Alas omnimax being would not be responsible for everything by default
Where does this leave US?
sophie is offline  
Old 07-28-2003, 03:49 PM   #100
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 3,425
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by sophie
winstonjen :

But you also missed, "not-responsible" due to being an omniMAX being. SO we re-write this as :



Where does this leave US?
[/QUOTE]

I think it just leaves you with a lot of dogma, and it leaves me (and your opponents on this debate) with a lot of non-sequitors to sort through.
winstonjen is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:25 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.