Magus55

You are aware that the Pharaoh ordered the male Hebrew children to be drowned in the Nile right? He could have prevented the death of the egyptian children at any time, but his pride was like stone, and he wouldn't give in.

You all really need to get away from this "lets make God like us" arguments. Report God to child abuse services? Wth, this is God, not your next door neighbor. You can't base his actions on human understanding and societal standards, it won't work!

christ-on-a-stick

Magus - Are we not supposed to, according to Xianity, strive to be "like" God?

If so, why do we call parents "bad" who punish their children excessively or cruelly?

unregistered_user_1

Why the hell not? We have a being who's judging us by his standards, yet he won't live up to his own standards! That's not morality. That's typical religious double-mindedness :banghead: :banghead:

Why is it bad for pharoah to do something, but it isn't bad for your god to do the same kind of things?

mike_decock

Nope, the Pharaoh could not have prevented it because God hardened Pharaoh's heart.

Exodus 10:20
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.

You only feel this way because God doesn't even come close to living up to the lowest societal standards.

-Mike...

winstonjen

So 2 wrongs make a right? I guess we should all work on killing god, then...wait...that wouldn't be a wrong at all!

orac

Let's assume for the sake of argument that human beings really are intrinsically evil, or at least imperfect sinners. Let's also assume that God is perfect.

Any reasonable definition of these terms implies that God is superior to Humans.

With me so far?

Now, given these assumptions, why would God do something (kill innocent children to punish someone who did commit a crime) when only the most pathologically insane humans would consider this decent?

More to the point, I do not accept your standard of relative morality where killing babies is an acceptable way for God to punish wrongdoers but an unacceptable way for humans to punish wrongdoers.

You believe in a God with a clear "do as I say, not as I do" policy, and you continually insist that this is moral and beyond criticism. Don't you understand that some people don't consider that to be a good thing? You need to persuade us that morals are relative, before expecting us to accept that God's morality is different to what is moral for humans.

Magus55

Because parents and children are still both humans. Both fallible, both sinful. God is neither.

He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. You have no right to judge anyone because all humans are just as bad. God however has the right to judge you.

And again, you are basing your views on society. God is not part of human society. He isn't bound by our laws or morals, He created them and He can break them.

Magus55

Because God does it for unselfish reasons. God has the right to cast judgement on sinners. Humans don't because they are sinners. Its hypocritical.

Magus55

God only continued to keep the Pharoah's heart hardened after it already was. Why do you think God warned the Pharoah and stopped the plagues? The Pharaoh even said he would give in if God stopped them. So what did God do? He stopped them as the Pharaoh asked. And what did the Pharaoh do? Said, ah nevermind - not letting the people go. God was completely justified in what He did. And its not like you can tell Him otherwise. He is God, and He always does what is right, whether you think it is or not. Humans can't see the big picture, God can.

winstonjen

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA...etc. ad infinitum. According to your beloved bible, your god does these things TO GET WORSHIP. Sounds mighty selfish to me.


Your god invented sin by decreeing what was and what was not sin. Hence, he is responsible. QED.

Oh, so good is defined by god, and everything he does is good. :boohoo: Morality that depends on who does an act, not the act itself, is meaningless.