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pug846 · 04-29-2002, 05:12 PM

I don't expect much of a response to this, but does anyone feel they have a thought out reason why homosexuality is immoral?

If you would like to do a more formal debate in the debate forum, I'd be open to doing that too.

So...any takers?

99Percent · 04-29-2002, 07:20 PM

I think homosexuality is viewed as immoral mainly for religious reasons. Unlike meat eating, or even abortion, I doubt you will find many atheists who view homosexuality as wrong.

But I am not sure...

Bill Snedden · 04-29-2002, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 99Percent:
I doubt you will find many atheists who view homosexuality as wrong.

But I am not sure...

How about Ayn Rand?

Seriously, though, I think that you would find very few contemporary atheists who would view homosexuality as immoral.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

SmashingIdols · 04-29-2002, 08:36 PM

Sure, why not?

Morality is a societal standard, right? So in western society homosexuality would be moral, being accepted (and protected) sexual preference. Unless you claim to have some higher moral standard like that which is sometimes interpreted from The Bible through the Ordained Ministry of Jerry Foul-well.

I would also say that in the Islamic world homosexuality is considered immoral. It is definitely not accepted sexual behavior. They even put them to death - but they put everybody to death eventually (I think the kids they strap dynamite to are being punished for stealing fig cookies. This is known as theocracy in action).

I have about as much interest in defending eitheir position as I do defending the sex lives of artichokes.

Your perfect candidate for this debate would be a Bible thumping, Born-Again Bedouin Homo-phobe (who watches the Old-Time Gospel hour on his satellite television).

Probably not too many around here.

Viti · 04-29-2002, 08:46 PM

I for one would love to see someone try to rationally defend their irrational homophobia.

Bree · 04-29-2002, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyShea:

I for one would love to see someone try to rationally defend their irrational homophobia.

Do we have anyone particular in mind?

IIRC, the last few blatant homophobics were all banned for being pricks.

bltl6 might fit the bill.

SmashingIdols · 04-29-2002, 09:12 PM

And there's only one way to really check for homo-phobia - we got's to all get nekid!

Viti · 04-29-2002, 09:23 PM

Isn't everybody else nekkid all the time?? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

SmashingIdols · 04-29-2002, 09:46 PM

Not me... I'm snugglin' up with my burmese python "lumpy", wearing my horned helmet . Isn't that like fully dressed in these parts?

Hey, found some reference to the <a href="http://www.baptiststoday.org/bt12_21farch.html" target="_blank">development of Bedouin Biblicist Homo-Phobes</a> to get the debate going! Couple years we should have some live ones...

Had to edit - Sent an <a href="http://165.121.134.45/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000186.html" target="_blank">invite</a> to the forum hosted from the site linked above!

We should have our guy online shortly!

[ April 29, 2002: Message edited by: SmashingIdols ]

ju'iblex · 04-30-2002, 03:56 AM

the only reason i could possibly think of is the need for heterosexual procreation and having as many children as possible <back in the good ol' days

>, homosexuality could <would?> have been viewed as a waste of healthy breeding livestock, not at all efficient for a struggling society. However, this has gone beyond the realms of obselete in modern society. But perhaps it can still be twisted enough to form what they would call an "argument". The only reason i can see that people hold on to it though is because they love to stick with the same silly traditions that religion has to offer, and this is one of them. that combined with fear of the unknown.

however, obviously none of these are very good arguments are they?

04-29-2002, 05:12 PM	#1
pug846 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,587	Is Homosexuality Immoral? I don't expect much of a response to this, but does anyone feel they have a thought out reason why homosexuality is immoral? If you would like to do a more formal debate in the debate forum, I'd be open to doing that too. So...any takers?

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SmashingIdols Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 153	Not me... I'm snugglin' up with my burmese python "lumpy", wearing my horned helmet . Isn't that like fully dressed in these parts? Hey, found some reference to the <a href="http://www.baptiststoday.org/bt12_21farch.html" target="_blank">development of Bedouin Biblicist Homo-Phobes</a> to get the debate going! Couple years we should have some live ones... Had to edit - Sent an <a href="http://165.121.134.45/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000186.html" target="_blank">invite</a> to the forum hosted from the site linked above! We should have our guy online shortly! [ April 29, 2002: Message edited by: SmashingIdols ]</p>

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04-29-2002, 07:20 PM	#2
99Percent Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: my mind Posts: 5,996	I think homosexuality is viewed as immoral mainly for religious reasons. Unlike meat eating, or even abortion, I doubt you will find many atheists who view homosexuality as wrong. But I am not sure...

04-29-2002, 08:36 PM	#4
SmashingIdols Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 153	Sure, why not? Morality is a societal standard, right? So in western society homosexuality would be moral, being accepted (and protected) sexual preference. Unless you claim to have some higher moral standard like that which is sometimes interpreted from The Bible through the Ordained Ministry of Jerry Foul-well. I would also say that in the Islamic world homosexuality is considered immoral. It is definitely not accepted sexual behavior. They even put them to death - but they put everybody to death eventually (I think the kids they strap dynamite to are being punished for stealing fig cookies. This is known as theocracy in action). I have about as much interest in defending eitheir position as I do defending the sex lives of artichokes. Your perfect candidate for this debate would be a Bible thumping, Born-Again Bedouin Homo-phobe (who watches the Old-Time Gospel hour on his satellite television). Probably not too many around here.

04-29-2002, 08:46 PM	#5
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	I for one would love to see someone try to rationally defend their irrational homophobia.

04-29-2002, 09:12 PM	#7
SmashingIdols Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 153	And there's only one way to really check for homo-phobia - we got's to all get nekid!

04-29-2002, 09:23 PM	#8
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Isn't everybody else nekkid all the time?? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

04-30-2002, 03:56 AM	#10
ju'iblex Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney Australia and beyond the realms of Gehenna Posts: 6,035	the only reason i could possibly think of is the need for heterosexual procreation and having as many children as possible <back in the good ol' days >, homosexuality could <would?> have been viewed as a waste of healthy breeding livestock, not at all efficient for a struggling society. However, this has gone beyond the realms of obselete in modern society. But perhaps it can still be twisted enough to form what they would call an "argument". The only reason i can see that people hold on to it though is because they love to stick with the same silly traditions that religion has to offer, and this is one of them. that combined with fear of the unknown. however, obviously none of these are very good arguments are they?

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