FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-02-2003, 03:30 PM   #1
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: North America
Posts: 138
Default Religion in the News

March was a very busy month for those hell-bent on getting some ancient laws of a deceased kingdom posted in public buildings throughout the U.S. It was a busy month for public schools confronted with a deadline for certifying that they weren't denying students certain, inalienable rights. A professor used his Transcranial Magnetic Stimulator to get a devout Atheist to experience God. Two Nobel laureates -- celebrating the 50th anniversary of the discovery of the structure of DNA -- took the opportunity to belittle belief and proclaim a cure for stupidity.

Get all the details:

http://www.misterthorne.org/NEWS/MAR_2003.htm


Enjoy!
LyricalReckoner is offline  
Old 04-02-2003, 03:59 PM   #2
Moderator - Science Discussions
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Providence, RI, USA
Posts: 9,908
Default

LyricalReckoner:
A professor used his Transcranial Magnetic Stimulator to get a devout Atheist to experience God.

Actually the article says Dawkins experienced nothing more than a tingling sensation. From what I've read, Persinger's Transcrainial Magnetic Stimulator doesn't come close to living up to his claims.
Jesse is offline  
Old 04-02-2003, 04:29 PM   #3
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: North America
Posts: 138
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Jesse
LyricalReckoner:
A professor used his Transcranial Magnetic Stimulator to get a devout Atheist to experience God.

Actually the article says Dawkins experienced nothing more than a tingling sensation. From what I've read, Persinger's Transcrainial Magnetic Stimulator doesn't come close to living up to his claims.
What I learned was that they can program the solenoids to fire in different patterns. They take a flashlight and shine it at the test subject. They raise and lower the light, and many subjects -- it is said -- report that they imagine being taken to an alien space ship, being examined, and then returning to earth.

If I had such a gizmo, I'd hit the state fairs coming up. $10 a pop. That would be the thing to do.
LyricalReckoner is offline  
Old 04-02-2003, 04:31 PM   #4
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Buggered if I know
Posts: 12,410
Default

Not very lucrative, your plan.
the only people really affected would be those who were
easily suggestible
and/or
on the edge of neuropathology in any case

No-one who want to have a real epileptic fit induced in them, pre-onset aura or no aura.
Gurdur is offline  
Old 04-02-2003, 11:39 PM   #5
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Texas
Posts: 385
Smile

Gurdur is right, charge $20.
Nickle is offline  
Old 04-03-2003, 05:56 AM   #6
Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino
Posts: 12,591
Arrow

Quote:
Originally posted by Jesse
Actually the article says Dawkins experienced nothing more than a tingling sensation.
For those of you in the UK, this is going to be covered in an upcoming BBC Horizon programme, as detailed in this thread. I imagine it will make it to the US eventually; I gather the show’s called Nova over there.

DT
Oolon Colluphid is offline  
Old 04-03-2003, 06:04 AM   #7
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Louisville, KY, USA
Posts: 1,840
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Jesse
LyricalReckoner:
A professor used his Transcranial Magnetic Stimulator to get a devout Atheist to experience God.

Actually the article says Dawkins experienced nothing more than a tingling sensation. From what I've read, Persinger's Transcrainial Magnetic Stimulator doesn't come close to living up to his claims.
IIRC, both Michael Shermer and John Horgan described rather unprofound experiences with Persinger's TMS. Of course, I'd still try it if I could.

Quote:
LyricalReckoner:
If I had such a gizmo, I'd hit the state fairs coming up. $10 a pop. That would be the thing to do.
Unless someone at the fair is selling LSD for 5$ a hit
ps418 is offline  
Old 04-03-2003, 07:53 AM   #8
Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast?
Posts: 10,762
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickle
Gurdur is right, charge $20.
Guys, you need to think big. First, do it on a few impressionable people for free. Once you convince them you are a prophet, get them to spread the word. Open a church (or whatever) and make up some kind of ritual around the magnetic thingy. Don't charge money; guilt-trip the marks into giving you donations. You could make millions, and best of all you wouldn't have to pay taxes on it.
Godless Dave is offline  
Old 04-03-2003, 11:30 AM   #9
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LALA Land in California
Posts: 433
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Godless Dave
Guys, you need to think big. First, do it on a few impressionable people for free. Once you convince them you are a prophet, get them to spread the word. Open a church (or whatever) and make up some kind of ritual around the magnetic thingy. Don't charge money; guilt-trip the marks into giving you donations. You could make millions, and best of all you wouldn't have to pay taxes on it.
That's what L. Ron Hubbard did. He said he could easily start a religion and he did it. (Scientology) I went to a meeting once and had to fight to keep them from getting my credit cards and cash. I finally ran out of there after midnight. I swear I was almost brainwashed. At the time I didn't know all the stupid stuff like becoming a "CLEAR!"

Dave, can I please remove this magnetic halo from my head now? It's too heavy.
MadKally is offline  
Old 04-03-2003, 12:07 PM   #10
Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast?
Posts: 10,762
Default

Sceintology's machines don't even do anything and look how successful they are. Think of the cash you could rake in if you had a machine that really induced a religious experience!
Godless Dave is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:10 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.