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Dark Jedi · 09-24-2002, 08:44 PM

Well, the Reverend Phelps and his posse is coming to CSU to celebrate the anniversary of Matthew Shepherd's death.

I have urged people to let them be, and let them get no attention whatsoever, but it ain't happening.

That said: Suggestions?

Any other Colorado (Or Kansas/Utah/Wyoming) Infidels planning on attending?

I plan to be there, and hope to try to mediate/restrain the worst on our side. Perhaps if we can be shown as reasonable and compassionate, this fool will look all the more the idiot to the TV cameras.

Yes, TV. News is slow out here, so I expect the main 5 news crews to be present. (ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,WB)

What a circus.

Phelps' schedule in the area is this:
Oct. 12, 2002
2 hrs before game
Ft. Collins, CO
Hughes Stadium, 1917 Overland Trail

Oct. 13, 2002
8:00 am � 8:30 am
Casper, WY
First United Methodist Church, 332 E. 2nd

Oct. 13, 2002
8:45 am � 9:15 am
Casper, WY
Casper College, intersection of 15th and Wolcott

Oct. 13, 2002
9:30 am � 10:00 am
Casper, WY
St. Mark�s Episcopal, 701 S. Wolcott

Oct. 13, 2002
10:00 am � 10:30 am
Casper, WY
First Presbyterian Church, 804 S. Wolcott

Oct. 13, 2002
10:30 am � 11:00 am
Casper, WY
St. Anthony�s Catholic Church, 7th & Center

I always feel so soiled after going to that man's website to check his schedule.

galiel · 09-24-2002, 09:16 PM

Why treat these people any different that you would treat the Klan?

scombrid · 09-25-2002, 05:57 AM

What I can't believe is that many churches welcoming him. I thought most christians denounce Phelps et al. They do when I call them on his nonsense. I guess they lie to me.

<fundy crosses fingers> "No, we don't support Rev. Phelps at all."

That's friggin scary that it looks like every flavor of xtianity in is opening its doors to him.

simian · 09-25-2002, 06:04 AM

Do a poster with "God hates Figs!"

(Please see <a href="http://www.godhatesfigs.com" target="_blank">this</a>)

Ridicule is the only way I see of dealing with him. Make fun of him and his group. Keep some physical distance from the cult.

Simian

ImGod · 09-25-2002, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scombrid:
<strong>What I can't believe is that many churches welcoming him. I thought most christians denounce Phelps et al. They do when I call them on his nonsense. I guess they lie to me.

<fundy crosses fingers> "No, we don't support Rev. Phelps at all."

That's friggin scary that it looks like every flavor of xtianity in is opening its doors to him.</strong>

It's typical of Phelps to picket at churches that publicly say people should show tolerance to homosexuals. My guess is he needed addresses for his schedule and McDonald’s at 4th and Main doesn’t work as well. He also gets more attention if he can picket when the churches empty after services. He has a somewhat captive audience driving out of the parking lot.

This man is one of the biggest wastes of a human out there. It’s a tough call on counter demonstrating, because he loves the attention. Maybe you could demonstrate on the other side of the street with your backs to him at all times.

MzNeko · 09-25-2002, 07:06 AM

Well, I saw one notion that I liked on another thread (don�t remember which one, now) � a Pledge-A-Thon! It was suggested that people pledge a dollar amount for every minute that Phelps spews his crap, and then the money be donated to some worthy cause (preferably an organization that he hates, like a gay/lesbian services group).

Gotta admit, I like that one. It raises money for a good cause, and it tends to cause him to cut his little sermons short.

scombrid · 09-25-2002, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ImGod:
<strong>

It's typical of Phelps to picket at churches that publicly say people should show tolerance to homosexuals. My guess is he needed addresses for his schedule and McDonald’s at 4th and Main doesn’t work as well. He also gets more attention if he can picket when the churches empty after services. He has a somewhat captive audience driving out of the parking lot.

This man is one of the biggest wastes of a human out there. It’s a tough call on counter demonstrating, because he loves the attention. Maybe you could demonstrate on the other side of the street with your backs to him at all times.</strong>

Ohhhhhhhhhhh <slaps forehead> He's picketting the churches. Silly me.

Godless Dave · 09-25-2002, 09:21 AM

MzNesko, that's a great idea.

MzNeko · 09-25-2002, 09:52 AM

Thanks� I just wish I could take credit for it!

I got confused � I thought that I had read the idea on a thread at this site, but actually I picked it up at witchvox.com

I do think it�s a really great idea, though.

<a href="http://www.witchvox.com/wren/wn_detail.html?offset=0&id=4908" target="_blank">Here's</a> the link to that particular news article and commentary at witchvox.

Here are quotes from the two comments I liked.

Quote:

At other venues where Phelps has appeared, groups have organized these pledge campaigns, where people pledge a dollar amount for every minute Phelps speaks. The money pledged goes toward gay advocacy organizations or AIDS organizations.

The critical thing is to inform Mr. Phelps that every minute he preaches will raise money for gay and AIDS groups! I heard about one place that did this, and he did his usual hateful harangue for less than 15 minutes.

Quote:

1)Get together and laugh at him. Point, crack jokes at his expense, whatever.

2)Use his protests as a foundation for a food drive.

3) Use his protests as a foundation for a fund raiser. Get people to pledge five cents a minute, or a penny a minute, or whatever, for however long he and his people are protesting. And don't tell them, because then they'll leave before the fundraiser gets going. After enough money's been raised, donate it to a battered women's shelter, or a gay and lesbian organization, or a gay-straight student alliance at the local high school.

I think this third strategy will actually work best. If the idea of "Use Phelps Protests To Raise Funds" spreads widely enough, he won't be able to go protest *anywhere* without the knowledge that he's helping raise money for those "godless fags" in the very act of protesting, which should gall him to no end. And in the meantime, money will be raised for worthy causes, and in a peaceful manner.

In fact, all three could be used in combination, now that I think about it.

Something to think about?

Anyway, sounds like an amusing and constructive approach...

Hedwig · 09-25-2002, 02:09 PM

MzNeko, that's a great idea that was given a great deal of circulation through organizations like PFLAG (Parents, Family, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.) They did it around a year and a half ago at a Phelps event here in Oklahoma and, apparently, raised a nice little chunk of change for gay awareness and AIDS organizations.

Again, fabulous idea.

I'd definitely look into something like that, Dark Jedi.

09-24-2002, 08:44 PM	#1
Dark Jedi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 4,666	Phelps and Co. coming to my area.. Well, the Reverend Phelps and his posse is coming to CSU to celebrate the anniversary of Matthew Shepherd's death. I have urged people to let them be, and let them get no attention whatsoever, but it ain't happening. That said: Suggestions? Any other Colorado (Or Kansas/Utah/Wyoming) Infidels planning on attending? I plan to be there, and hope to try to mediate/restrain the worst on our side. Perhaps if we can be shown as reasonable and compassionate, this fool will look all the more the idiot to the TV cameras. Yes, TV. News is slow out here, so I expect the main 5 news crews to be present. (ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,WB) What a circus. Phelps' schedule in the area is this: Oct. 12, 2002 2 hrs before game Ft. Collins, CO Hughes Stadium, 1917 Overland Trail Oct. 13, 2002 8:00 am � 8:30 am Casper, WY First United Methodist Church, 332 E. 2nd Oct. 13, 2002 8:45 am � 9:15 am Casper, WY Casper College, intersection of 15th and Wolcott Oct. 13, 2002 9:30 am � 10:00 am Casper, WY St. Mark�s Episcopal, 701 S. Wolcott Oct. 13, 2002 10:00 am � 10:30 am Casper, WY First Presbyterian Church, 804 S. Wolcott Oct. 13, 2002 10:30 am � 11:00 am Casper, WY St. Anthony�s Catholic Church, 7th & Center I always feel so soiled after going to that man's website to check his schedule.

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09-24-2002, 09:16 PM	#2
galiel Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Eastern Massachusetts Posts: 1,677	Why treat these people any different that you would treat the Klan?

09-25-2002, 05:57 AM	#3
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	What I can't believe is that many churches welcoming him. I thought most christians denounce Phelps et al. They do when I call them on his nonsense. I guess they lie to me. <fundy crosses fingers> "No, we don't support Rev. Phelps at all." That's friggin scary that it looks like every flavor of xtianity in is opening its doors to him.

09-25-2002, 06:04 AM	#4
simian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 1,924	Do a poster with "God hates Figs!" (Please see <a href="http://www.godhatesfigs.com" target="_blank">this</a>) Ridicule is the only way I see of dealing with him. Make fun of him and his group. Keep some physical distance from the cult. Simian

09-25-2002, 07:06 AM	#6
MzNeko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Long Beach, California Posts: 1,127	Well, I saw one notion that I liked on another thread (don�t remember which one, now) � a Pledge-A-Thon! It was suggested that people pledge a dollar amount for every minute that Phelps spews his crap, and then the money be donated to some worthy cause (preferably an organization that he hates, like a gay/lesbian services group). Gotta admit, I like that one. It raises money for a good cause, and it tends to cause him to cut his little sermons short.

09-25-2002, 09:21 AM	#8
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	MzNesko, that's a great idea.

09-25-2002, 02:09 PM	#10
Hedwig Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,921	MzNeko, that's a great idea that was given a great deal of circulation through organizations like PFLAG (Parents, Family, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.) They did it around a year and a half ago at a Phelps event here in Oklahoma and, apparently, raised a nice little chunk of change for gay awareness and AIDS organizations. Again, fabulous idea. I'd definitely look into something like that, Dark Jedi.

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