Infinity Lover

Hallo lieve schat.
Coming soon...NME; the near me experience .

Do you think those people only share their experience, because they don't want to be ridiculed or have their experience trivialized? Or is there some other possible reason I'm overlooking? Have "fellow NDE-ers" confided in you in the past? And if so; have you encountered any uniformity, or on the contrary diversity, in the experiences people have shared with you?

Oxymoron

Of course you know what you saw. No-one can contradict that experience. What people can argue with is the interpretation put upon those experiences.

It is easily within the bounds of probability that certain individuals lie about NDEs. On the programme I mentioned there was a blind woman who had never seen since birth, who claimed to have seen X Y and Z in an NDE. To me that sounds like garbage, and my wife - who works for a blind charity and has discussed issues such as what they 'see' and what they dream about with both the partially sighted and the unisighted - agrees. Given how long it takes babies to recognise Xs Ys or Zs - or equivalently, blind people who have never seen who have a corrective operation - it seems pretty unlikely that she'd recognise Jesus in an NDE. We couldn't help but consider the possibility that the tale - or elements of it - were manufactured.

Salmon of Doubt

Ooh, me too! I wonder if the hyperactivity in my brain when I see Claudia Black is in any way equivalent to religious experiences?

Is it completely different, or is the only difference that I know the object of my idol worship doesn't know me or love me back, and religous people delude themselves into thinking the feeling is profound, and it means God does love them back?

wordsmyth

Do dead people have "Near Life Experiences"???

Oxymoron

Y'know, I looked at that and thought 'oh do shut up', but a second look now has me thinking 'how profound'. I like it! :notworthy

Stephen T-B

Hello Oxymoron,
I saw some of that prog. and thought it was interesting is so far as it showed how NDEs could have life-changing effects, and how people had the firm impression they were on their way to a heavenly after-life regardless of their pre-NDE religious beliefs, or lack of them.
I’ve spoken to a guy at York University who is doing a PhD on NDEs. He is a Christian, but one who doesn’t have any problem with Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and what-have-you all experiencing similarly heavenly experiences.
(HelenM told me that some Christians would interpret these experiences as being the work of Satan, in order to trick them into thinking they’d be OK when they really did die. I was flabbergasted...)
The idea, promoted in the programme, that the “mind” has an existence unconnected from the brain, strikes me as being completely daft. If we don’t need a brain in order to think and see and communicate, why’ve we got one? And the idea that that blind-from-birth girl would have known what she was looking at during her out-of-body experience demanded serious questioning - which it didn’t get.
This iwas one of those very irritating programmes which gives the appearance of being sensible and “scientific”, but isn’t either.
best wishes
S.T-B

Mageth

Originally posted by wordsmyth
Do dead people have "Near Life Experiences"???

NDEs could just as well be referred to as "Near Life Experiences" because, as Oxymoron said, none of the recounters have reached "final" death.

Clutch

Sorry, what did the programme mean by claiming that the patients' brains had been "shut down 100%"?

Because that has the sound of something so stupid only a broadcast journalist could believe it.

Oxymoron

I think 'anaesthetised to the bejeezus' was the implication, to the extent that no sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous activity was measured. This is, however, my interpretation - no technical detail was given, so as you imply, it could mean anything.

Clutch

Anyone have a link? My search of the Beeb's website didn't find the show.