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Boro Nut · 03-06-2002, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by HelenSL:
With all due respect, Boro, you need to read it. It was Satan who was in a strop, if anyone, and he dared God and God accepted the dare.

God=Satan. I worked that one out years ago.

HelenM · 03-06-2002, 05:00 AM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut:


God=Satan. I worked that one out years ago.

Oh, excuse me - I didn't realize that was one of your a priori assumptions

Jung agreed with you, I think

love
Helen

Oresta · 03-06-2002, 04:58 PM

She completely missed the point which HelenSL got, i.e that the Book of Job was written as a corrective to the common notion that suffering is the result of personal spiritual defect. The story's point in part is that gods are capricious and likely to sell out even the most righteous of men on a bet, and onlookers shouldn't assume a cause and effect relationship between sin and ill fortune. It wasn't that god had a plan, just that he was trying to prove a point to the accuser, and we see though it involved killing the family and destroying the property of one of his finest devotees, this didn't make god blink even once. Neat god. I see why Christians love him the way a battered child loves their abuser.
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Ron Garrett · 03-06-2002, 05:30 PM

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nescio · 03-07-2002, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Hobbs:
What about Job's wife? I've heard a lot of sermons on that books, and I don't think she ever gets enough credit.

Lucy once said a very similar statement in a Peanuts comic strip in which Charlie Brown's baseball team was having a theological discussion of Job.

Hobbs · 03-07-2002, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by nescio:

Lucy once said a very similar statement in a Peanuts comic strip in which Charlie Brown's baseball team was having a theological discussion of Job.

I was wondering if anyone would catch where that came from. But I do think she was right about that, so I thought it was appropriate to quote it here.

nescio · 03-14-2002, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by Hobbs:


I was wondering if anyone would catch where that came from. But I do think she was right about that, so I thought it was appropriate to quote it here.

I learned to read on Peanuts books and have a lot of the dialogue from the 1960's era books memorized.

never been there · 03-14-2002, 05:03 PM

I loved Mordecai Richler's take on Job in The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz - One of Duddy's older relatives (grandfather? I forget) with a bit of a criminal past quotes YHWH as saying: "Where the fxxx was you when I creatded de woild?..." It's a scream and well done in the movie.

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03-06-2002, 04:58 PM	#33
Oresta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,107	She completely missed the point which HelenSL got, i.e that the Book of Job was written as a corrective to the common notion that suffering is the result of personal spiritual defect. The story's point in part is that gods are capricious and likely to sell out even the most righteous of men on a bet, and onlookers shouldn't assume a cause and effect relationship between sin and ill fortune. It wasn't that god had a plan, just that he was trying to prove a point to the accuser, and we see though it involved killing the family and destroying the property of one of his finest devotees, this didn't make god blink even once. Neat god. I see why Christians love him the way a battered child loves their abuser. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron, If you have no copyright on the above, can I have have your post engraved in stone?

03-06-2002, 05:30 PM	#34
Ron Garrett Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: United States Posts: 1,657	Everything I post is wide open for re-use with my best wishes for success!

03-14-2002, 05:03 PM	#38
never been there Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB Posts: 2,144	I loved Mordecai Richler's take on Job in The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz - One of Duddy's older relatives (grandfather? I forget) with a bit of a criminal past quotes YHWH as saying: "Where the fxxx was you when I creatded de woild?..." It's a scream and well done in the movie.

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