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Yellum Notnef · 02-22-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55

Amazing how much people love to blame God for your own failures. .

Yeah and it`s equally amazing how many people credit God for their triumphs.

I`m not in the habit of blaming or thanking imaginary things. My question was for those of you who DO believe in God

Yellum Notnef · 02-22-2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Amie
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Its always interesting how some atheists who seem to blame things on God but then give God no credit for the Good and then get on a theist's case for giving God credit for the good and not putting blame on God for the negative. Welcome to the wonderful world of Hypocrisy my dear sweet Christian brethren...
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It`s always interesting to see how you STILL DON`T GET IT.

Atheists DO NOT blame or thank imaginary gods for anything.

JEST2ASK · 02-22-2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth

Oh wait. I forgot. you never saw the link between praying grandmothers, morals and happy societies.

Rad

Is there a scriptural reference for the Grandmothers being responsible ..... I thought each person bears (or is punished) for their own sins

Jeremiah 31:29 - 30 (KJV) In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own inquity; every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. See also Galatians 6:7

However 2-Chronicles 34:26-28 seems to suggest that if the leader (King Josiah as example) tears his clothes(19) humbles himself and is sorry God will grant mercy.

Inquiring minds want to know.....

Spaz · 02-22-2003, 09:53 PM

I still don't get why god gets the credit for everything good and satan gets blamed when something bad happens or blamed for misleading people into doing something bad.

Yellum Notnef · 02-22-2003, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Spaz
I still don't get why god gets the credit for everything good and satan gets blamed when something bad happens or blamed for misleading people into doing something bad.

I`d be glad to explain it to you,but I`m afraid I`d insult too many people.:banghead:

Abacus · 02-22-2003, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Fenton Mulley
1.)Space shuttle explodes.
2.)Fire at RI club not far from where I live kills 96 people (4th deadliest fire in American history)
3.)Barge with millions of gallons a gas explodes in New York.
4.)Stampede at Baltimore(?) night club kills twenty something people.
5.)Freakishly cold weather kills numerous people around the country.
6.)Duke University makes huge transplant mistake and kills girl even though her parents were constantly praying.
7.)God seems to have it out for the kiddies as well since the entire roof of a Toys R US collapsed today.

NOW IF WE HADNT TAKEN PRAYER OUT OFF SCHOL AND IF WE DIDNT TEECH EVILUTION IN SCHOOL AND IF WE EXECUTTED HOMOSEXURALS AND OTHER PEVERTS FOR THERE SINS THEN NONE OF THOSE TINGS WOULD OF HAPPEND.PRAISE GOD!!!![/Fundy]

Amie · 02-22-2003, 10:01 PM

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While we have all been praying and asking for God to bless and protect us some pretty ironic and terrible shit has happened. Heres a short list of recent events:

You did say this, now why would you suggest it to be ironic? you tie it all in to prayer somehow that suggests blame whether you believe in God or not.

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And lets not forget that those towers went down soon after our praying president got into office.

nothing to do with anything Fenton, again the mention of prayer...
No matter what I have trust in God. Bad shit just happens.

Yellum Notnef · 02-22-2003, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Amie
You did say this, now why would you suggest it to be ironic? you tie it all in to prayer somehow that suggests blame whether you believe in God or not.
nothing to do with anything Fenton, again the mention of prayer...
No matter what I have trust in God. Bad shit just happens.

You still don`t get it.

I`m not saying that ANYONE (believers or nonbelievers) is blaming God for all this bad shit.

My question was why isn`t God protecting us from it? Who cares where it comes from or if it`s all just random chance. Aren`t we all supposably praying for his protection and blessings? So where is it?

Is the chance of receiving protection from God as random as the bad shit that happens? It sure seems to be.

Amie · 02-22-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Fenton Mulley
I`m not saying that ANYONE (believers or nonbelievers) is blaming God for all this bad shit.

ok then I misinterpreted your post, I apologize.

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My question was WHY isn`t God protecting us from it? Who cares where it comes from or if it`s all just random chance. Aren`t we all supposably praying for hids protection and blessings? So where is it?

Fenton I do not understand all of the suffering but I believe everything happens for reasons. I do not have to understand the exact reasons as I have trust in God and I have faith that someday I will understand. We were given free will and with that gift comes great power. We have the abilities to do wonderful things to and for humanity with free will and also we have the power to do horrible things to one another. God is always with us though and he does bless us with many gifts.

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Is the chance of recieving protection from God as random as the bad shit that happens? It sure seems to be.

God loves us all and does not abandon us. When you mention "protection" are you referring to what some of us would call divine intervention? Before I answer that I just wanted to clarify that point. If you are referring to protection, we each have a guardian angel who walks with us through life.

lpetrich · 02-22-2003, 10:55 PM

I wonder of Magus55 and Radorth and Amie have ever heard of the legal category of crimes of omission.

These are cases where one is at fault for not having done something. Thus, if you hit someone with your car and you offer the defense that you had not aimed your car at your victim, you will nevertheless be guilty of failing to avoid hitting your victim by swerving, braking, or both.

And what Fenton Mulley was suspecting the Xian God of being guilty of is some crimes of omission. The Xian God, by not protecting his faithful followers from harm, is as guilty of omission as someone who hits someone by failing to swerve and/or brake.

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lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Crimes of Omission I wonder of Magus55 and Radorth and Amie have ever heard of the legal category of crimes of omission. These are cases where one is at fault for not having done something. Thus, if you hit someone with your car and you offer the defense that you had not aimed your car at your victim, you will nevertheless be guilty of failing to avoid hitting your victim by swerving, braking, or both. And what Fenton Mulley was suspecting the Xian God of being guilty of is some crimes of omission. The Xian God, by not protecting his faithful followers from harm, is as guilty of omission as someone who hits someone by failing to swerve and/or brake.

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Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	I still don't get why god gets the credit for everything good and satan gets blamed when something bad happens or blamed for misleading people into doing something bad.

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