Magus55

We have to be Baptised by the Holy Spirit, which comes by accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and his offer of eternal life.

Baptism by water is a commandment, not a requirement. Its important, but not soul saving.


And as to original sin, this could also be referring to it.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Pyrrho

Which is to say, the Bible contradicts itself. The Bible repeats the claim that the sin of the parents is transferred to the children more times than it claims what is stated in Ezekiel 18:20. For just a few examples:

Or to get them in short form at once:

Gen.9:21-25
"And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father .... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan [Ham's son]; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."
Ex.20:5 , Dt.5:9
"I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation."
Ex.34:7
"Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Num.14:18
"Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation."
Dt.28:18
"Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body."
2 Sam.12:14
"The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die."
2 Sam.21:6-9
Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD .... And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD."
1 Kg.2:33
"Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever."
1 Kg.21:29
"Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because hehumbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house."
2 Kg.5:27
"The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever."
Is.14:21
"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers."
Jer.16:10-11
"Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? ... Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord."
Jer.32:18
"Thou ... recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them."

Edited to add:

I suppose I should have read the rest of the thread to see that DMB has already provided a link to the above site.

Doctor X

Yeah, but this saves us the trouble of clicking on his link. . . .

--J.D.

AJ113

It is to Catholics, and they should know, they've been practising for 2000 years.

And as to original sin, this could also be referring to it.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

What do you mean by "could?" You mean that the bible does not make make it absolutely clear? You mean you have a dogma that may not be scriptural? Naughty Magus, there's going to be some weeping and gnashing of teeth.....

HRG

When theists talk about consequences, they often forget who made the rules, according to them. In a theistic universe, there are no "natural" consequences.

Who decided what the consequences of any act would be ? According to Christian theology, it was (omnipotent and omniscient) God; there is not a single rule that A will be followed by B which is not the result of his decision. Since he could have decided that the same act would have different consequences, he caused all the actual consequences.

IOW, he could equally well have decided that Adam's act would not have domino-style effects.

Regards,
HRG.