River

Aramaic , the language of Jesus Christ (pbuh) is also very similar to Classical Arabic ( the language of the Qur'an).

Lets take a look at what Jesus Christ (pbuh) said:

http://jews-for-allah.org/Prophet-Je...-for-Allah.htm


http://www.thenazareneway.com/the%20...0of%20paul.htm

Doctor X

The Synoptic Gospels were written in koine Greek.

--J.D.

River

but Jesus Christ (pbuh) was not.

Taamalus

My two cents

From your first link:

Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do.
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32)

Jesus also put himself equal to his father:
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. John 5:21 NIV

That statement refutes all assertions made by that site.

The second link:
Strangely, this man, who was only shortly before murdering Jesus' disciples, now expected everyone to believe him to be infallible and above any criticism. Considering his satanic track record,

By making an argumentum ad hominem pretty much shows the character of the site. Yes Paul was illogical at times but not satanic. Ironically Moslems do not believe in Satan. They only have one God in the heavens.

River

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Taamalus
[B]My two cents

From your first link:

Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do.
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32)

Jesus also put himself equal to his father:
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. John 5:21 NIV

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River says,

Jesus Christ is the metaphorical son of G-d . The Qur'an portrays him as the second Adam. The name Isa ( Jesus) appears 25x in the Qur'an. The name Adam also appears 25x in the Qur'an. The Talmud and other Jewish Scriptures also call Adam, Noah , David and other Prophets " Sons of G-d". Jesus Christ is not Equal to G-d. He is G-d's representative. And the Qur'an gives him the title " Spirit of G-d" as well as " Word of G-d". Therefore if you follow Jesus Christ , you are also following G-d. No contradictions.



The second link:
Strangely, this man, who was only shortly before murdering Jesus' disciples, now expected everyone to believe him to be infallible and above any criticism. Considering his satanic track record,

By making an argumentum ad hominem pretty much shows the character of the site. Yes Paul was illogical at times but not satanic. Ironically Moslems do not believe in Satan. They only have one God in the heavens


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River says,

I am not a Paul fan. Most Muslims believe that Paul was largely responsible for corrupting Christianity . He allowed for the worship of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was the most Humble Servant of G-d. He does not need nor want our worship.


P.S: The site theNazareneway.com is an excellent website. You may deem it as unorthodox....but this is expected from a website that endorses Apochrypha. Most Christians have a faulty perception that Apochrypha is fake.....but in reality ...it is not.

Magus55

Guess you aren't a big fan of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John either, since they clearly point out that Jesus is in fact God. Heck, my as well throw out the whole NT by your standards, since it all leads to Jesus being God. Even Jesus himself said so:

John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me.

Definately a higher claim then just being a humble servant.

mark9950

The SON OF MAN does not constitute a god unless you use semantic gymnastics to make it mean a god.

chimaira

Some people read:

"I am the way, ...no one comes to the Father, but through me."


When reading this verse, for some reason some people see in it a confirmation of the Trinity. Although I can not see how they can read either an explicit or even an implicit reference to the Trinity in this verse, still, due to it's popularity it deserves to be studied


There appear to be a sizable number of Christians who when reading this verse interpret it to state that Jesus is God and that no one shall enter into heaven except if they worship Jesus. For this reason this verse should ideally be dealt with in section 1.2.3 (The 'Son of God'), however, since it is brought up so often in discussions of the Trinity it appears to be appropriate to discuss it here.


The popular perception that this verse claims that Jesus requires our worship in order for us to receive salvation is not the intended meaning of this verse. However, in order for us to recognize this fact it is necessary to study it's context.


If we were to back up a little and read from the beginning of this chapter, we would find that just before Jesus spoke these words, he said;


"In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you."

John 14:2


The above statement is quite clear. It is in exact conformance to the teachings of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an we are told how God sent messengers to all tribes and nations. We are told that the basic message which was given to each of these tribes was the same: "Worship God alone and worship none else." Some of the secondary details of this worship might differ from one tribe or nation to the next according to God's infinite wisdom and his knowledge of those people. It was made very clear to each prophet that he was not to preach to anyone but his own people. It was further made clear to this messenger's people that if they were to obey him that they would receive the reward of God. God would not hold them accountable for what any other tribe or nation did or did not do. This would continue until God's last messenger, Muhammad (pbuh) would be sent to all mankind as the seal of the prophets.


This is exactly what Jesus is saying here. He said that in God's mansion there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house".


Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God. What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet does. It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the "prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" (see also Jn. 12:44). Once again, this is the message of Islam.


Finally, remember

"Not every one that says to me(Jesus); 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven."

Matthew.7:21

Doctor X

Sorry . . . browser problems. . . .

River:

Ipse dixit, I am afraid. You have presented no evidence that Junior did not converse in Greek. Furthermore, that the NT texts were written in Greek--including the "Sayings Source" Q to the best of my recollection--would indicate that if any tradition of what he may have actually said was in Greek.

--J.D.

EstherRose

Here is the verse in Hebrew according to my bible websites. Not one of these words say "muslim". Perhaps the translation of the bible you (and the website) are using is incorrect. If anyone reads Hebrew, can they read this verse and the verse on his website and offer anything?

åáøë úåéäì íìù ãéîìú ìëì éãå åáø ìò äìòð ãéîìú ïéà

In English
Luke 6:40
"A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.

The meaning is altered too in your "translation".