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MOJO-JOJO · 03-22-2002, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Atticus_Finch:
My gut reaction, is to be a young earther. BUT, I believe that sincere, committed Christians who believe in the authority of scripture can believe in evolution and such.

I hope that answers your question.

Regards,

Finch

BLASPHEMER!!! RC Sproul and John MacArthur Jr. would have serious concerns with you!

From our perspective though, you're beginning to talk like a Catholic....so you're halfway back to reality.

Hang around, AF....we DO care about the salvation of your intellect!

Ruy Lopez · 03-23-2002, 05:27 AM

Regarding what Mojo Mojo described as "Blasphemer", It might be a good idea for Atticus F. to explain what he meant by bible authority and evolution can be reconciled in a person. That's a stupendous statement.

hezekiah jones · 03-23-2002, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Atticus_Finch:
I am an attorney and trial lawyer. I work with the concept of evidence every day.
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I find that many non-believers apply an incredibly high standard of proof to questions of religion which I can not imagine that they apply to other similar questions of life.

With all due respect, do you not agree that standards of proof for metaphysical claims must necessarily be higher, or at least different?

For example, since you've suggested you're a "young earther," how does Bishop Ussher's calculation of the age of the universe compare with our empirical observations of light emanating from sources hundreds of millions of light-years away? Does one not require an arbitrary manipulation of the laws of physics in order to conform with Ussher's claim?

Wyrdsmyth · 03-23-2002, 10:50 AM

Welcome, Atticus! Step right this way, to the deconversion chamber. You seem like a rather bright and inquisitive fellow, so you have my best regards. I hope that you will find your salvation here.

RufusAtticus · 03-23-2002, 12:19 PM

Get thee back. I'm the only Atticus around here!

-RvFvS

RufusAtticus · 03-23-2002, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus_Finch:

Excellent question. I have been giving deep thought to this issue for some time. On the one hand, a young earth argument is easier from a biblical point of view. It does not require the twists and contortions of the text required by the day-ager or those who believe Genesis is mere allegory. On the other hand, in our society it certainly would be simpler to try to conform the bible to the popular science of the day. I call it the "popular science of the day" because although scientific knowledge seems very solid today, we have only to look back in history and see the many things we once firmly believed, based on science, were wrong. It would be supreme arrogance to assume that our children's children will not think we were ignorant simpletons.

I invite you to visit the Evolution/Creation forum. A literal interpretation of genesis was disproven generations ago. There is absolutly no chance for it to come back, unless all the evidence we observe is a figment of our imagination.

-RvFvS

Oresta · 03-24-2002, 09:36 AM

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My favorite scene in To Kill A Mockingbird is after Atticus has lost the case and he is preparing to leave the courtroom. Scout and the black community are waiting in the balcony. As Atticus walks out the Reverend says to Scout, "Stand up...your father is passing." (or something close to that). Very powerfull stuff.

Welcome Atticus-Finch. I have a first edition of TKAMB. It was a well-loved, well-read book of this family.

Edited to add: I would advise you to gird your loins well before entering the E-C board.
[ March 24, 2002: Message edited by: Oresta ]

[ March 24, 2002: Message edited by: Oresta ]

Mad Kally · 03-24-2002, 09:55 AM

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posted by Atticus_Finch:
I also think that I can challenge the foundation of those who do not believe.

I'm still waiting..

Atticus_Finch · 03-25-2002, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by hezekiahjones:


With all due respect, do you not agree that standards of proof for metaphysical claims must necessarily be higher, or at least different?

For example, since you've suggested you're a "young earther," how does Bishop Ussher's calculation of the age of the universe compare with our empirical observations of light emanating from sources hundreds of millions of light-years away? Does one not require an arbitrary manipulation of the laws of physics in order to conform with Ussher's claim?

The question of "old light" is a tough one for the "young earth" theory. I am not aware of a fully satisfactory theory to explain that problem. It therefore fits into the "we don't know that yet" category. I must note, however, that evolutionary and materialist theories also include a great deal of "we don't know that yet" answers as well (i.e. how exactly did we go from no life to life, the first and all important step in evolutionary theory).

Regards,

Finch

Atticus_Finch · 03-25-2002, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus:


I invite you to visit the Evolution/Creation forum. A literal interpretation of genesis was disproven generations ago. There is absolutly no chance for it to come back, unless all the evidence we observe is a figment of our imagination.

-RvFvS

I am extremely interested to know the literal interpretation of genesis was disproven generations ago. Please explain.

Regards,

The one true Atticus

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03-23-2002, 05:27 AM	#32
Ruy Lopez Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manila Posts: 5,516	Regarding what Mojo Mojo described as "Blasphemer", It might be a good idea for Atticus F. to explain what he meant by bible authority and evolution can be reconciled in a person. That's a stupendous statement.

03-23-2002, 10:50 AM	#34
Wyrdsmyth Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sarver, PA, USA Posts: 920	Welcome, Atticus! Step right this way, to the deconversion chamber. You seem like a rather bright and inquisitive fellow, so you have my best regards. I hope that you will find your salvation here.

03-23-2002, 12:19 PM	#35
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Get thee back. I'm the only Atticus around here! -RvFvS

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