Toto

This is a non-binding poll on the "Problems with Radorth" Thread

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=41958

ybnormal

I voted "Leave it open because the subject needed to be aired"

To me, this is first, a Secular Activism issue, and second, a Church-State Separation issue, simply because Radorth, clearly representing The Biblical America Movement, brought his and their agenda to this Church-State Separation & Secular Activism forum.

Toto

96 views and 14 votes, with no clear majority (so far at least). Could I ask the people who thought certain inflamatory language should have been excised to say precisely which words?

ybnormal

Thank you, Toto... my thoughts exactly... and I wouldn't mind specifics... interesting poll... and do you think you had that many lurkers, or just indifferent users? Nevermind, I know... both!

fromtheright

I was all for letting a hundred flowers bloom, but please, please put the thread out of its misery.

L. Noctivagans

Other: Ban him and get it over with. He's admitted to being a troll, he routinely hijacks other peoples' threads, he stalks certain posters around the boards, and he refuses to debate or discuss anything. He's only here to piss us off.

Demigawd

Leave the thread as is with *no deletions*, and let it play out. Nobody's nose has been metaphorically bloodied here unless extraordinarily thin skin is involved.

hezekiah jones

Other. I wish it had never started in the first place. I think it's had a bad effect on this, my favorite forum. Too much misspent energy has been wasted on Radorth. Every thread in which Radorth participates rapidly becomes a train wreck, despite a few posters' best efforts to have Radorth focus on something, anything, of substance. And I regret being involved in the suggestions that Radorth move his content-less bullshit from the formerly existing Rants and Raves forum, which is where it rightly belongs. He had nothing of interest to say then, and he has nothing of interest to say now, especially on the subjects that this forum addresses.

Radorth has no point, other than what is apparently a desperate need to voice his inarticulate displeasure with non-believers in general, and his "debating style" is virtually non-existent. This is why I consider Radorth little more than a troll; in fact he has admitted as much in so many words.

I recall Radorth quoting from the Constitution once, the First Amendment specifically, and he couldn't even get that right. That alone speaks volumes to Radorth's real interest in the subject. If Radorth has a point at all, it is that the framers would not have approved of many contemporary Establishment Clause decisions. But since Radorth claims to concur with these decisions himself, he has no point there either.

It seems clear to me that Radorth delights in the alleged persecution he receives here, since to him it serves to justify his Christian experience by vindicating the alleged words of his "savior." Personally I don't think Radorth is being persecuted at all. In fact he has been given far more attention, and far more opportunities to spout his myopic horseshit, than he deserves. But what do you expect from people that believe Christians are regularly persecuted in a country in which they comprise 85% of the population, and something like 18 of the last 22 Supreme Court Justices have been appointed by Republican presidents.

Although Radorth, like a creationist trolling in the Evolution forum, has elicited a number of thoughtful and well-informed posts from people that are clearly far more knowledgeable about (and interested in!) the First Amendment and its implications than Radorth, I think this thread should be removed and dumped straight into the archives. Unless Radorth has something of interest to impart on the subject of Church-State separation, I don't even see the point in engaging him any more. Radorth's fifteen minutes of notoriety are up.

copernicus

I voted for ~~elsewhere. I don't believe that the thread can be blamed entirely on Radorth, who didn't start it. The plain fact is that he is a troll. He enjoys baiting non-believers, and the people who respond to him seem to be aware of the nature of the game. If nobody answered him, he would go away. It is not unlike an obscene phone call. If you react to it, you feed the caller's need. If you routinely hang up, the caller goes in search of another victim. Censorship is another kind of reaction. It gives him the coveted label of "banned on Infidels" with his buddies, and he can always come back under another pseudonym. If people really dislike his style and want to see him leave, they should just stop responding to him.

Amie

I didn't like the OP from the beginning and I think it should just be closed...Did the guy who opened it ever come back?

damn I have to go to work...
have a good day Toto

Amie~