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Proxima Centauri · 06-18-2002, 10:17 AM

There's been the same trouble in Australia. Here's a link telling what's been happening there.

<a href="http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,4512348%255E952,00.html" target="_blank">Confession exposes priest sex cover-up</a>

For this link I am indebted to a Sec Web contributer called, 'The Cromwell Institute'. He started a topic 'Catholic sex predator says 10 year olds "wanted it"'

Looks like the Holy Church does the same things just about everywhere. Saints preserve us!

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sullster · 06-18-2002, 03:11 PM

It is great to know that the Catholic Church is truly "universal" in its pedohphilia. I was worried that most of the perverts were around here in Massachusetts.

Oh yeah, B. Shack, I guess the term "pond" for the Atlantic Ocean is just an American word. Must have been coined by some inebriated twit at Harvard who was longing for his ancestral home in England.

Once again, it is great to know that priests the world over are diddling children and getting away with it.

Debbie T · 06-18-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by sullster:

Once again, it is great to know that priests the world over are diddling children and getting away with it.

Will someone please explain why these pedophiles are under the control of the church? Why aren't they sitting in jail? And why doesn't the law go after the ones that covered it up charging them with accessory to the crime?

Since when does the church have control of what happens to these men who rape children?

Veil of Fire · 06-18-2002, 04:21 PM

Debbie: I'd guess it's because the Catholic Church has it's own country (and claims diplomatic immunity?), which just happens to contain a large building that 10% of every Catholic's income goes to whether they live in that country or not, and holds more gold than Fort Knox.

It could also have something to do with the fact that the Pope claims his organization is the only body capable of judging priests, since they're only beholden to the law of God, and since he owns his own country and is influential (having spread his organization, like organized crime, to nearly every country on the globe), politicians are hesitant to cross him.

bonduca · 06-18-2002, 07:41 PM

Some links also relating to sexual abuse of nuns by priests.

<a href="http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/3459563.htm" target="_blank">One</a>
<a href="http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_249036.html" target="_blank">Two</a>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1234000/1234268.stm" target="_blank">Three</a>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1232000/1232818.stm" target="_blank">Four</a>
<a href="http://www.calltoaccountability.org/" target="_blank">Five</a>
<a href="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/031601/031601a.htm" target="_blank">Six</a>

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Debbie T · 06-19-2002, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Veil of Fire:
It could also have something to do with the fact that the Pope claims his organization is the only body capable of judging priests, since they're only beholden to the law of God, and since he owns his own country and is influential (having spread his organization, like organized crime, to nearly every country on the globe), politicians are hesitant to cross him.

In the United States the church can protect these men the law can't touch them? Seriously?

So if a priest murdered someone and the church wanted to protect them they would still be above the law unless the church handed them over?

Zack · 06-19-2002, 01:42 PM

I would bet that a priest who spoke-out in favor of birth control or ordaining of women whould be in deeper trouble at the Vatican than a priest who sexually attacked a child.

sullster · 06-19-2002, 02:45 PM

A Nun in Boston had the audacity to Baptise a baby a few years back and was in deep trouble with cardinal Law for that offense, yet the cardinal was taking care of his male priest pedophiles. What a bastard Law is.

Proxima Centauri · 06-20-2002, 09:16 AM

There are any number of other types of sex abuse in the RC Church as well as child molestation. From the time of the Borgia Pope onwards, probably before as well, far to many Roman Catholic clerics, Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests have been FU--ING MONSTERS.
Here's a link with yet more information.

<a href="http://www.eclipse.co.uk/thoughts/celibacy.htm" target="_blank">The celibacy of priests and nuns</a>

This link cites many examples. I will give quotes for those who have no time to read the whole document.

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The enlistment of young men and women for lives of celibacy, and the methods of indoctrination and psychological manipulation designed to achieve this end is a breach of their human rights. The victims are condemned to lives of sexual repression, solitary masturbation and psychological stress.

They are denied the comfort, both physical and psychological of (a) normal physical relationship(s) with (an)other human being(s) and the potential of raising their own children - participation in the natural generational cycle of life. As a result of this mental cruelty many of the victims themselves become a danger to others - often the children entrusted to their care.

the perpetuation of this particular evil has no satisfactory excuse, and a person who attempts to influence a minor to take up a celibate priesthood should be treated as a sex offender.

If someone is trying to convince you or indoctrinate you to become a celibate priest or nun you being sexually abused.

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The Vatican admits that priests in 23 countries have been sexually abusing nuns - some of the abuses have even taken place in the shadow of the Vatican itself. This practice, reports of which have been ignored by the church for at least a decade, is particularly prevalent in the Third World, says the National Catholic Reporter (USA). In Africa, where priests previously sought out prostitutes, the high levels of AIDS have caused them to prey on nuns and young girls to avoid contracting the virus. Priests often demand sex in return for favours, such as certification to work in a particular diocese - or even certificates of good Catholic Practice permitting young women to train to become nuns.

What was the Vatican's reaction? When Sister Marie McDonald, mother superior of the Missionaries of Our Lady in Africa, put together a paper on the sexual abuse of religious women in Africa she met what she described as a 'conspiracy of silence' and bishops suggested that it was disloyal of the sisters to have reported the abuse. She said nuns had repeatedly informed the authorities: "Sometimes they were not well received. In some instances they are blamed for what happened. Even when they are listened to sympathetically nothing much seems to be done".

And finally , its not just the Catholics. Start of quote.

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It is not only the Catholic Church. In Canada, the Anglican Church is facing bankruptcy over financial claims arising from abuse. Since Anglican priests are permitted sexual relations it lead one to wonder whether there is something about priesthood that lends itself to the sexual abuse of others.

If you have time please read the whole document.
Do Christians have moral standards?

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Philosoft · 06-20-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Debbie T:


In the United States the church can protect these men the law can't touch them? Seriously?

Well no, not exactly. If the parents of an abused child go to the police, then the police can freely arrest the accused priest. What the church hierarchy has done instead is to cover-up evidence and testimony that has been given to them. Parishoners have apparently been far more likely to report their childrens' abuse to the diocese than to law enforcement.

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So if a priest murdered someone and the church wanted to protect them they would still be above the law unless the church handed them over?

No, individual church members aren't above the law. If the police can make a case for arrest, they are free to do so.

06-18-2002, 10:17 AM	#11
Proxima Centauri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: England, the EU. Posts: 2,403	There's been the same trouble in Australia. Here's a link telling what's been happening there. <a href="http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,4512348%255E952,00.html" target="_blank">Confession exposes priest sex cover-up</a> For this link I am indebted to a Sec Web contributer called, 'The Cromwell Institute'. He started a topic 'Catholic sex predator says 10 year olds "wanted it"' Looks like the Holy Church does the same things just about everywhere. Saints preserve us! [ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: B.Shack ] [Edited to fix funky formatting - BJM] [ July 09, 2002: Message edited by: Bree ]</p>

06-18-2002, 07:41 PM	#15
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	Some links also relating to sexual abuse of nuns by priests. <a href="http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/3459563.htm" target="_blank">One</a> <a href="http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_249036.html" target="_blank">Two</a> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1234000/1234268.stm" target="_blank">Three</a> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1232000/1232818.stm" target="_blank">Four</a> <a href="http://www.calltoaccountability.org/" target="_blank">Five</a> <a href="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/031601/031601a.htm" target="_blank">Six</a> [ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: bonduca ]</p>

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06-18-2002, 03:11 PM	#12
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	It is great to know that the Catholic Church is truly "universal" in its pedohphilia. I was worried that most of the perverts were around here in Massachusetts. Oh yeah, B. Shack, I guess the term "pond" for the Atlantic Ocean is just an American word. Must have been coined by some inebriated twit at Harvard who was longing for his ancestral home in England. Once again, it is great to know that priests the world over are diddling children and getting away with it.

06-18-2002, 04:21 PM	#14
Veil of Fire Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 451	Debbie: I'd guess it's because the Catholic Church has it's own country (and claims diplomatic immunity?), which just happens to contain a large building that 10% of every Catholic's income goes to whether they live in that country or not, and holds more gold than Fort Knox. It could also have something to do with the fact that the Pope claims his organization is the only body capable of judging priests, since they're only beholden to the law of God, and since he owns his own country and is influential (having spread his organization, like organized crime, to nearly every country on the globe), politicians are hesitant to cross him.

06-19-2002, 01:42 PM	#17
Zack Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 28	I would bet that a priest who spoke-out in favor of birth control or ordaining of women whould be in deeper trouble at the Vatican than a priest who sexually attacked a child.

06-19-2002, 02:45 PM	#18
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	A Nun in Boston had the audacity to Baptise a baby a few years back and was in deep trouble with cardinal Law for that offense, yet the cardinal was taking care of his male priest pedophiles. What a bastard Law is.

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