mark9950

I can believe that pigs fly all I want but that will not change the truth that they do not fly at this time in evolution(they may evolve wings in a million years or so,but at this time of writing they do not have wing and cannot fly)

You can believe in jesus all you want.but without significant proof that he existed in the first place does not mean he existed or will exist.

If that is the case of beliving without undisbutable proof than poses the question who made who?

Magus55

There is no undisbutable proof of Abiogenesis, the formation of the universe, or evolution of species either, yet you all believe it.

The universe always existing, or forming from a singularity - an effect with no cause is an extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence ( background radiation and an expanding universe is far from extraordinary evidence).

Humans starting as primordial sludge in a radioactive world billions of years ago, and evolving over time into the most complex thing on Earth is an extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

I see just as much ground for belief in Jesus and God as I do for abiogenesis, macroevolution and the universe forming with no cause, or always existing.

To each his own, we have our beliefs, you have yours. Neither side knows the absolute truth.

mark9950

Is that he is well over 2000 years late for his second coming.

I will give you every verse that insinuates that if you want them from your own bible which is your God speaking to you as best translated in the english language.

Magus55

And as I showed in the thread about RR, its not possible for Jesus to be referring to that. When you take the verse that you are so obsessed over, and look at it, in context with other verses describing His coming being unexpected, unknown, and requiring certain events that just recently started happening to be fullfilled, you can re-read Matt 24 and see that Jesus is in fact referring to the Generation that sees the end times.

Get off of it Mark, Jesus was not referring to the Apostles. This is such a dead argument its not even funny, yet you drag it out of the grave by the tail in all of yours posts, attempting to be a good skeptic, when you are only hurting your argument by stating your view, with no plausible backing behind it.

Soul Invictus

I appreciate that response. If only more people acknowledged this concept.

Nowhere357

Actually, I think he was trying to imply that the skeptic view requires faith, that scientific knowledge has no more validity than religious belief. But maybe I'm wrong. Am I wrong, Magus?

Ronin

I observe a perpetual interdependent co-arising of causes and effects in reality as evidence in plain view.

A 'no cause' deity has no evidentiary support.

The nonsensical tales associated with christianity adds even more evidence that its particular 'no cause' deity does not exist.

mark9950

What concept are you talking about?

Oh I know that jesus himself is a liar.Your God surely portrays himself that way.

Like I said you could believe in your jesus all you want,but I know that YOU and I will not see this god before we die.I am 38 years old and do not live my life like this god is coming,because I can guarantee to you that he is not.

its 2003 and still counting.

EstherRose

Then why do you care so much to discuss Him if you don't live your life like God is coming? You certainly spend quite a bit of time thinking about and discussing Him. Some part of you cares about this. Why does it matter to you at all?

winstonjen

Because we want to discourage the acceptance of lies masquerading as truth.