Butters

I'm finding I have to revise my opinion of the Catholic Church. Although the church has been guilty of many crimes, they seem much less dangerous today than the fundelmentalists. At least the C.C. has admitted that when the Bible and direct obesrvation come into conflict, we must revise our interpratation of the Bible. Having been persacuted by other religions, they are now more tolerant themselves, and are defenders of church/state seperation. (Even God couldn't help Catholics if Protestents can control the government). This last round of sex scandels will lead to more exposure to what is going on in the church, and mabye force some change. So, seeing how I percive less threat to my liberty from Catholics, I say, more power to them! (Not to imply that all religion is not nonsense, but since it is clear that many people have a need to believe in some sort of nonsense, it's better that they become Catholic than to be "born again")

Butters

I'm finding I have to revise my opinion of the Catholic Church. Although the church has been guilty of many crimes, they seem much less dangerous today than the fundelmentalists. At least the C.C. has admitted that when the Bible and direct obesrvation come into conflict, we must revise our interpratation of the Bible. Having been persacuted by other religions, they are now more tolerant themselves, and are defenders of church/state seperation. (Even God couldn't help Catholics if Protestents can control the government). This last round of sex scandels will lead to more exposure to what is going on in the church, and mabye force some change. So, seeing how I percive less threat to my liberty from Catholics, I say, more power to them! (Not to imply that all religion is not nonsense, but since it is clear that many people have a need to believe in some sort of nonsense, it's better that they become Catholic than to be "born again")

Ronin

You mean *this* Christ?! ~~

John ~

15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Matthew ~

8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Luke ~

12:46
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

12:47
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


...and you purport to be tolerant and compassionate, Sabine?

It should become obvious now to anyone reading this that this mindset should be continually challenged...as it is, quite obviously, deceptive and abhorrent.

atheist_in_foxhole

Ronin, you're obviously taking those quotes out of context. Jesus was and IS the Prince of Peace.

sullster

Hi Amos, I have been around here busting your chops, just look around.

Thanks for expanding on and clarifying my descriptive words of your church. Your definitions only prove that catholicism can be explained away in all sorts of interpretations which make little sense and essentially confuse and bewilder.

But, my friend you forgot one of my words.......Nihilism.
Nihil, nothing, nothingness, relativeism, moral abiguity, will to power, nada, will to nihilism.

Catholicism = Nihilism

Gemma Therese

Really? I'd at least think Catholicism = pain, corruption, stupidity, unhealthiness, supression, oppression, hoaxes, etc.

Gemma Therese

AdamWho

I don't have too much experience with the Catholic Church directly but I have seen the results in people that where brought up catholic.

Almost every catholic I know has either weird sexual hang-ups, drug/alcohol problems, or completely neurotic with guilts, shoulds, and should nots.

So in a vacuum I think Catholicism is harmless but add humans to the mix and suffering is the result.

Amos

Oh come on Adam, you look at Catholics from a protestant perspective. Confession is to relieve guilt and built courage on the other side of guilt.

Amos

Hi sullster, how are you. Nihilism is difficult to explain for flesh begets flesh and the Catholic Church does not purify flesh. Nihilism is the complete and utter self alienation wich is the secret to salvation and the non rational aspect of Catholicism you so much object to and think is one of the greatest parts of the Churh. You know what else? It places the Church beyond judgement in that it is beyond the scope of rational comprehension. I would never judge any of my Catholic friends because we do not know the hour nor the day and since we are not on the 'look-out' for the reign of God we are one and will always be one as one of the many. As Jesus said "these are my brothers and sisters."

Ronin

Amos ~ the only time the character Jesus speaks of 'brothers and sisters' is in Luke...and, you should admit, it speaks volumes for christianity.

Luke 14:26 ~

"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."

Perhaps you are thinking of someone else...or not at all.