Radorth

Maybe you don't know how disrespectful, and condescending you come across. You are accusing a Christ I believe in of all kinds of evil motives with no evidence whatsoever. I think I've been incredibly patient with your psychoblather. You either did not read the thread or are insincere as well, because you ask questions which have been asked and answered many times already. At that point, tolerant people stop ragging on it and agree to disagree. Not you. You ask even more inane questions like "Is rape OK?" You choose to keep blathering on, and that is why you are hearing sarcasm.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

So why is it that Daggah and I (and quite a few others) seem to only have this problem with you and nobody else?


Balderdash!
I tried to get you to tell me where sin came from for three days and you did everything you possibly could to avoid honestly answering the question.
My question about the origin of sin IS key to the topic even if your main tactic of avoidance is to claim that it isn`t.
I had no intention of talking about those damn bikes again and we wouldn`t have even bumped into them if you had just answered my question without all the running around.
So yeah Radorth,this is all your fault. All you had to do was answer a simple question that you should be more than qualified to answer. But did you do that? Noooooo.

You have an incredibly short memory,but it`s all here in the thread if you`d like to review it.

Radorth

By all means.

And note I did answer the question. If you did not agree we invented sin, or found it contradicts the Bible, you had a golden opportunity to make another point related to the thread. You did not. You chose to whine incessantly about it and bring up ancient history instead.

That's exactly what happened Fenton. Do spare us the holy talk.

Rad

Radorth

You have done it with other people as well but, being holier Christians than I, they either left or put up with it. I've decided to hold up mirrors as long as it takes. Folks will also note it is INVARIABLY you or Daggah which starts it, so we all know how to stop it, don't we? I can go for years without talking to or mentioning you again, I assure you. It's your call.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

You must be referring to this:

I figured this was just more bullshit. How could I not when it was immediately followed by this little gem:
With all your baloney,stalling,avoiding and serious sounding statements that later turn out to be jokes,how can anyone take anything you say seriously?

So where in the bible does it say we invented sin and evil and that god is upset about this invention? So upset in fact that he sends Jesus to die for it.
And is the this massive drop in life expectancies actually what you meant when you said the bible backs you up?

(I`m done responding to your other posts until you quit the insults and take off that fake crown of thorns)

Yellum Notnef

So you`ve decided to ignore me now?

Lets not forget that you also told people such as Buffman that they were no longer worth talking to. Buffman is one of the most earnest and serious people here so I consider it an honor to be put into the same "not worth talking to" category as him.

You`ve made my day.

Radorth

You said you knew it was a joke I thought. I should have put a toothy grin with it, in hindsight, even though it seemed obvious to me.

I'll assume this is a sincere question although I have little reason to do so.

The moment we determined to "eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" we began to invent sin. Our needs were no longer met by God, whom we decided was kidding us, and began to invent our own ways of filling legitimate needs. There is a domino effect. God says male and female making a lifetime commitment is the best way to fulfil emotional and sexual needs. We try other things. God says adultery is wrong, but bad marriages leave us in need, so we find what we think we need elsewhere. We blame others for all these problems, when actually 90% of all problems are caused by us. We tell one lie and have to invent another to cover up that one.

Actually, you don't have to believe the Genesis story to see this happening. Watch any movie today, and you will find people inventing new and clever ways to get around laws meant for our own good. Notice also how one small bad decision leads to all sorts of misery and pain. And who ever looks back and says "Oh, I did something God said not to." I have asked over and over which of the "sins of the flesh" Paul listed does not lead to some kind of misery. I get no rational answer because we just want to keep experimenting with our own private philosophies and hold up "personal responsibility" as some kind of new cure-all.

Just saying, "Well God shouldn't have made us that way" is simplistic nonsense. We'd have the autonomy of an ant.

Paul uses the phrase "inventors of evil" and we all do it to some extent, great or small.

So God gives us this marvelous freedom because he doesn't want robots for servants, and we abuse it until we run into a brick wall, and then we still keep coming up with excuses and clever ways of serving ourselves. I've also asked how God could possibly reconcile this mess to himself without some action on his part, (a la the cross) and he gets "Waah! I don't like how God saved the whole world and I'm so damn holy, I don't need it anyway. He should just come down and whack other people over the head."

Blame the Christians, blame God and others, talk holy and keep inventing. That's the typical solution. It's not religion that starts all wars. It's self-righteousness philosophy (including all "good works" religions), the very things God warned us against in Moses' revelation.

Rad

Radorth

I was trying to put a stop to this nonsense, but your cynical mind found other motives as usual. I had a silly idea you did too, and you wanted to get back on topic. Am I naive or what?

Rad

Dr Rick

Here's the chapter form Mark, again:

1A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard that he had come home. 2So many gathered that there was no room left, not even outside the door, and he preached the word to them. 3Some men came, bringing to him a paralytic, carried by four of them. 4Since they could not get him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof above Jesus and, after digging through it, lowered the mat the paralyzed man was lying on. 5When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."6Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7"Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" 8Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you thinking these things? 9Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'? 10But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . . ." He said to the paralytic, 11"I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home." 12He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, "We have never seen anything like this!"

It's been asserted that it is God that needs to forgive us, and even the teachers say as much, but here it looks like it is Jesus that is doing the forgiving. He's not saying "Son, your sins will be forgiven when I die: He's saying that they "are forgiven," period. Jesus also assumes the authority to do so in the passage, without any reference to the OT or God.

Rick

Yellum Notnef

OK.I agree. No more of this tit for tat nonsense.

I`ll get to your other post regarding my original question later today.
Right now I have to get back to shoveling all this snow. Shoveling snow is something we often have to do in my part of country while we await your misunderstood sungod to rise again and be victorious over darkness.

I do wish he`d hurry up because my back is killing me.