slept2long

Are you psychic?

Again you have no idea what he was thinking. To say you know what he was thinking and then explain to us through "his" eyes is silly.

Where is the article that says this worked a dozen times earlier that day? Have you seen it Loren? The same group used this strategy a dozen times that day and it worked. I notice how you resort to vaugery(sp?) when describing the actions of the Israeli's as well. Would you please explain as you see it what job these Israeli's were supposed to be accomplishing and how there actions are consistent with that goal?

Irrelevant.

Here's what the Israeli's decided happened :

The army report claimed Corrie �was struck as she stood behind a mound of earth that was created by an engineering vehicle operating in the area and she was hidden from the view of the vehicle's operator who continued with his work. Corrie was struck by dirt and a slab of concrete resulting in her death.�

From the Palestinian Chronicle.

Here are four accounts from members of the same group Rachel was a member of.

emphryio

Keep on digging that hole Loren

yguy

Who in hell do you expect will be impressed by eyewitness accounts from her rabidly anti-American, anti-Israel, and pro-Palestinian compatriots and an account by a Pal propaganda outlet which had this to say:

"Pictures taken by the ISM also showed Corrie, who was wearing a florescent vest in broad daylight, was in full view of the driver."

Would anyone care to guess why these pictures are neither included in the article nor linked to? Could it just possibly be that the picture which showed her in full view of the driver was taken at least several minutes before the one which shows her after being run over, making it irrelevant to the question of the driver's awareness of her presence?

slept2long

Not you. BTW where do you get the impression they were rabid anti-americanists? Never mind your poisoned the well. Care to prove the Palestinian Chronicle is a propagnada outlet and not simply a newspaper?

Again you have nothing to back up your innuendo. Isn't this begging the question? Try again.

slept2long

Here's a link to Electronic Intifada with pictures of the relevant event. I don't know about you but I see her laying in a bulldozer track like she had been run over by a bulldozer.

yguy

What the hell does that mean?

The picture of Corrie burning a makeshift American flag is old news. There is no reason to think her cohorts were any different.

Don't be an idiot. I couldn't prove that about any publication whatsoever to the satisfaction of anyone who found it credible.

You asked for it, [insult deleted].

From the ISM site:


Picture taken between 3:00-4:00PM on 16 March 2003, Rafah, Occupied Gaza. <snip>


Picture taken at 4:45PM on 16 March 2003, Rafah, Occupied Gaza. <snip>

Any questions?

sphinx wui

Dear Hindouwoman;

I didn�t launch my attack as a sort of tit for tat attitude but what bothered me is the fact that you said the Quran is filled with hate against Jews as you are telling a well established scientific fact like the water is boiling at 100 c without any documentation. The word filled with hate give the impression to any body that in every paper in the Quran you will find something like kill,murder, anhiliate, etc etc, etc the Jew as Mohamed has nothing else to do in his life but to hate them and you are speaking to mostly an American audience and I think in those times that we live in some of them if he get a flat tire he will accuse Mohamed of doing it!!!this book was written 1400 years ago and i don't believe in any metaphysical dimension in it but it still shapes the mind and psyche of the Muslim world and if you compare it to the other texts in terms of atrocities it is not the worst

You wrote;
However Manusamhita's position is not that of the topranking scriptures, it is a lawbook


And you think a law book is not important !!!!!! or may be it is just commercials for fun !!!

What I mentioned is just a drop of an ocean to urge you to think twice before criticizing other cultures and by the way what is your position from the �SATI� doctrine, I think as a woman you have to be concerned and you can explain for the readers what is �SATI�

You wrote
If the logic is that of a different time, it is even more applicable to Manusamhita. Even if they actually applied these punishements, by 300 B.C they could not do it anymore because Sudra kings had risen to power by then.

I can understand from this sentence that the cast system is something from the past but it is over now? Here is the bad news;
I visited India about 12 times in short trips and my father and uncle used to work as legal consultants for many companies in the Gulf region mainly in Saudia Arabia and Oman and as you know those countries are full of Indians so I have a first hand experience with Indian culture. The cast system exists to this moment that I write this post in a brutal inhuman way and still there is �untouchables� or �Dalit� and I am sure 100% that you are upper cast, let me say �Brahmin� cause Sudras and Dalit don�t even have electricity or water in their tin houses in the slums of New Delhi or south India let a side computers and the sad part of the story is that this crime is committed to this day with full blessing of your �democratically� elected prime minister Vajibai who never lost a chance to tell everybody about the �Biggest democracy in the world�

You wrote;
At least the Sudras would have to do something to be punished. But to Allah's Prophet, merely being a Jew is enough.

At least the Jew can convert to Islam to escape the wrath of Mohamed but the poor Sudra is cursed from his birth to his death and nothing in the world can change his status cause even in his new incarnation he will come back as Sudra!!!

I spoke with many of them and the thing that makes this problem hopeless is that those people think actually of themselves as inferior subhuman dirty creatures so they don�t even complain or resist any injustice done to them and they think they deserve it because of their evil nature!!!

You can identify those people in USA by their Indian features and dark complexion � and also their family names which is very important if you have experience with Indian names� and they work in gas stations and 711 and stuff like that cause they are not educated �not because they are stupid but because they never give them access to education in India� and you can check for yourselves.


I will discuss first the passages that you brought from the Quran which by the way never came near to what I brought, like cutting tongues, pouring melted things in the ears and stuff like that.

You wrote:


3.75. Among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians] is he who, if entrusted with a Cantar [a great amount of wealth, etc.], will readily pay it back; and among them there is he who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless you constantly stand demanding, because they say: "There is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterates [Arabs]." But they tell a lie against Allah while they know it.


What is wrong with this pessage!!!!, it means simply don�t generalize, some of them are very honest and some are bad as any other society.

And they truly said that there is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterate (which you can understand it as the Gentiles in general or tha Arabs) and here is the evidence from the Talmud but I think it is better to give you an idea about it first:

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more knowledge of the Old Testament than the Israelis.

Britain*s Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."

This is also for Gurdur, the guy with laser guided comments:

It is the standard disinformation practice of the Pharisees to deny the existence of the following Talmudic scriptures and to claim they are the fabrications of "anti-Semites." This disinformation can only obtain cachet among those too lazy to go to the English-language books of the Talmud and look these passages up for themselves. Hebrew University Professor emeritus Israel Shahak in his monumental 1994 work, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" (London: Pluto Press), has confirmed the malice and racism contained in Talmud.

N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority: "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Enough or you need more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can�t finish this post today cause I have to wake up early in the morning and it is already 2.30 am in Cairo!!!
So I will be back to discuss your last post one by one by one.
I think, if you like, it is better to open a new thread in the general religious discussion section instead of the political section, it is up to you.
Best regards
Omar

Loren Pechtel

Yeah. Why do they expect us to believe those shots? Compare the bulldozers.

yguy

I think it's the same bulldozer, but the camera angle is different - though I could easily be wrong.

In any case, the shots are 45 minutes apart according to ISM, so the claim by the Palestinian Journal that there are pictures confirming the ISM version of events appears to be a blatant lie.

Darwin26

Seems both yguy and Pechtel are jubilant and giddy at the tragic loss ... is there some wager about the death of this courageous young woman... She put her life on the line standing up to a bull dozer taking part in scorched earth policies... she held strong convictions about stopping tyranny ...in her heart she gave all she had. Corrie was the kind of person you would want in your "foxhole" Her Family will miss her dearly.
Perhaps you would argue the National Guardsmen at Kent State were following military policy ... or the students fell into those bullets ?
Or perhaps at Mai Lai the soldiers had to follow policy...
A soldier has a responcibility to not kill innocent civilians.
This continued assessment of how Corrie died ... are you looking to be absolved? or are you tools of Faux News?