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We all know the evidence for jesus exsists (Josephus, talmud etc..), We know he did some things that made him unpopular with various officials. According to the bible texts he claimed he was god. So we can prove a man called jesus exsists, and that he claimed to be God, but we cannot prove that he actually was?. As far as I know there is no evidence that jesus' God exsists at all!!. I'm wondering if this is a fairly accurate?

Jayhawker Soule

• The historicity of Jesus is challenged.
• You can not prove that the man exists.
• Your post is far from accurate.

I strongly suggest that you review the relevant threads found in Biblical Criticism and Archaeology.

D.H. Cross

RD, do you EVER post reasons for your conclusions? Without reasons your post is no better than, "No you're wrong. I'm right. Go read more."

What good does that do anybody?

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Jayhawker Soule

Yes, the reason that the post is inaccurate is that the related assertions that (a) "we all know the evidence for jesus exists", and (b) "we can prove a man called jesus exists", are inaccurate. This, in turn, is made clear by the multiple relevant threads currently active in BC&A. The response was terse because I was responding to someone with a history here. Now, did you have anything of substance to say relative to the initial post?

D.H. Cross

There is evidence that Jesus lived, but after that all bets are off as far as what he actually said. The "Q" source is probably the closest thing to the actual sayings of Christ. Check out the book edited by Marcus Borg (Publishers' Group West; ISBN: 1569751897 ) entitled "The Lost Gospel Q: The Original Sayings of Jesus".

As RD wrote, it is quite a huge jump from evidence that a man existed to having "proof" that this man was god, or actually said what is written in the Gospels. The gospels contain a great deal of hearsay.

Jayhawker Soule

I am an agnostic on the question of historicity, despite some very interesting discussions currently going on in the in the BC&A forum. I'd be interested in knowing what evidence you find compelling. Perhaps you might wish to contribute to one of those threads BC&A. Thanks, and take care.

The Admiral

I feel that there is little evidence for the historicity of Jesus but I state my case thusly.

"There is little evidence the Jesus of Nazareth, as described in the New Testament, existed."

I feel I'm on pretty safe ground with that statement. Not that a true believer finds it convincing.

The Admiral

Jesus Freak

How do you PROVE that anyone exists. Give me the laws regaurding existance.

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Defiant Heretic

Is this question scientific or metaphyisical?

In the former case, the existance of a being can be proved by empyrical evidence, and by measuring their impact on other objects.

Metaphysically, I can't even prove that I exist (solipism and all that)

Jesus Freak

I believe Jesus has had an impact on many other objects.