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Old 08-07-2003, 02:56 AM   #1
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Default A proposition to Volker.Doormann

Hi Volker!

I would like to approach you with a request of a short term horoscope for myself. I believe that you may have some ability in writing one and interpreting positions of celestial bodies in that context!

Could you do something like that? Here you have an atheist ( admitedly ) who would really like that God exists and that he will eternally punish evil and reward good. Even as an atheist I sincerely wish God would exist with all my heart. This is just meant as to say that I try and not have my belief influnced by anything. How succesful I am is another thing.

I have some important stuff that might happen soon and influence my life. I declare an agnostic view of the art of astology. I actually fancy the idea of being able to predict or interpret influences of celestial bodies on human lifes. In fact I know that Saturn influences Earth as a fact but I am agnostic to the astrological interpretation. Admitedly though I am also a bit sceptical in that my training is in a techical discipline and consider myself not given to mysticism of sorts, UFOs, Illuminati, paranormal, ghosts and X-Files type of stuff ( though I really did like to watch X-Files when it was a running series here in the USA ).

I ask you if I provide you with some personal data ( which I assume you can keep inconfidence ) to provide a 2 week horoscope for me, if possible. Maybe you can make it for a 2 week period of your choosing and post it. I, on the other hand, would record my daily life to a certain level of detail and both of them can be posted here. I can keep a "diary" of sorts on what is happening with me, me feelings, happenings, news and on.

You are aware I did not post a thing on the several "Horoscope" posts and I did not even follow them except note the large number of replies.

I also say that I will ask or begin to inerpret anything on the validity of your work. No criticism or interpretation. I will simply provide an account of some of more important happenings with me as well maybe what has been happening in the recent past. I will attempt no examination or rebutal to you.

I am mainly motivated by the large number of replies that this stuff atracted and also some scepticism. I simply consider it a practical experiment with me as a subject.

Would you be interested?
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:25 AM   #2
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Hi Volker!

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Hi Kat_Somm_Faen,

Thank you for your nice post. It is an honor. But unfortunately I cannot do that what you expects from me. It is not a question of interest. Your request of a ‘short term horoscope’ is not part of my astrological work. A horoscope means to see (Greek: skopeo) at the hour (Greek: ‘hora’ hora is the 12th part of the day from sunrise to sunset), and it is the sight on the planetary configuration of the hour on the visible and invisible sky in the hour of birth, because this stamps the character and mentality of a person. This is object of my astrological work. Sure, there are times in life, were some planetary cycles have interference with the brain structure given by birth, but this interference is not really part of my work. But I can tell you, that these interferences are in most cases have FWHM times of a month to two years and that it needs deeply the knowledge of the given discrete structure, which is interfered. These so called transits do not change in two weeks; a transit of Pluto for example takes five years, and I can tell you, that is not always fun (maybe you ask Lunachick friendly). To this, one must know about the causality on these planetary challenges; most of the effects perceiving by such transits are causes of prior life’s, for that it takes a lot of meditation on this, to acknowledge that individual fate as it is, and start finding explanations from reasonable causalities in this assumed disorder. What I can do is, I can post a date list of meaningful transits in 2003 interfering your personal psyche, and you can study the meaning of that transits from a text book of astrological transits (p.e Betty Lundsted, Weiser). To this I can create a graph of all this transits showing the weak and strong ones. Sorry again, for that I cannot take your specific challenge.

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Old 08-07-2003, 04:54 AM   #3
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Thumbs up It was no challenge

It was a proposition!

I understand if your work need personal contact of othe consideration not possible through Internet alone! I do respect that too. Too bad. You live in Germany - maybe I will get to see you one day

Anyway it was not a challenge at all! I said I would not seek to interpret what you claim. I will not subject it to study and ridicule. Or any questioning and proving/disproving. In fact I was a bit taken by the way you talk about it. I mainly thought - If he says he is good why no try it out its not like there can be negative consequences. If I learn something - I do and if not - nothing was lost. So it was not a challenge at all. Just like people say the see is salty - I wanna stick my tongue there and see for myself. If it is solty or not salty - I lose nothing but can only gain knowledge.

I respect that your method has limitations if you do it simply through the Internet and not more directly and I have respect that you do not want to cimpromise your method easily.

Have fun!
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It was a proposition!
Hi Kat_Somm_Faen,

yes, right.
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Not really. After I have studied the psyche of humans, and after I have written my software PLUTO, I got a lot of responses from people I never have seen, because some astrologers, who do work with my software, have given their clients my e-mail address, reporting their impressions to the analysis. As I have started to write this software, it was also this point argued by Skeptics, that astrologers do not gives interpretation from the chart, but from the impression of the personal contact. But as you may have seen, what there was as specific text calculated for test person #3 and accepted as correct descriptions, it needs no personal contact to calculate this interpretations.
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I mainly thought - If he says he is good why no try it out its not like there can be negative consequences. If I learn something - I do and if not - nothing was lost.
I think this your way is the best way to get knowledge. Not only to know what is true, but also to know what is false.
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So it was not a challenge at all. Just like people say the see is salty - I wanna stick my tongue there and see for myself. If it is solty or not salty - I lose nothing but can only gain knowledge.
I totally agree. Knowledge is 50% of that, what is to be realized in the own individual - Love is the remainder; not to solved by the ratio or mind, and as a halve pig is useless, because it falls over, knowledge is also useless without have found love.

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