Rousseau_CHN

Now there was once this thread that claimed that God raped Mary. The Christians replied that "you cannot use human standards to judge God/Christ."

It got me thinking (really?!?). If our standards differ from God, then our "black" maybe his "white".

When Christian say that God is good. The word "good" here is, of course, our standard--which to God may not be good.

In fact, because our standards may differ from God, then it could also mean that what we consider depraved--maybe in God's eyes/standard, be considered Holy.

And so on and so forth, ad infinitum, ad absurdum.

What we know to be Christianity today is/may simply be devil-worshipping.

Fiach

May that explains why four wankers who highjacked two airliiners and crashed them into the Twin Towers in New York, and claimed tat they were doing that for the glory of Allah. Allah apparently is glorified by killing men, women, and children in his name.

It might explain grown men strapping dynamite to their children to blow up innocent women, children, and babies in markets and on buses.

It might explain devout God believers blowing up two American embassies in Africa despite the resultant killing of mostly African muslim workers at the embassies.

It might explain why devout christian Eric Rudolph blew up a couple of gay bars, a couple of women's clinics, and some mostly black people in Atlanta.

I could go on but the post would be far too long.

Fiach

Amos

No God did not rape Mary but born again Christians who do not have Mary as their mother did rape Mary.

God is love and lord God is life so good is always live giving and love serving.

If they raped Mary they are probably in cahoots with the devil.

So yes, things are usually just opposite to how we think they are.

Sue Sponte

This is correct. Assuming the existence of a god and satan, it is equally plausible that satan, not god, created the bible to lead man astray. For example, "god" in the bible wanted his followers to prove their willingness to kill their own children in his name. How can this entity, which desired its subjects to be willing to kill their own offspring, be considered the "good" supreme being, rather than the "bad" one that lives in the basement?

I also find the tale of Abraham particularly inconsistent with Christian opposition to abortion. No woman can elect to stop further development of a fetus, but a parent should be willing to kill his/her own child in god's name should the person believe god so desires.

SanDiegoAtheist

Rousseau - this is exactly what I've been trying to point out to Radorth in another thread (to no apparent avail).

If "God-Justice", "God-Truth", etc. bear no apparent relation to our human definitions of the word, then it's readily apparent that he can be said to be neither "Just" nor "Truthful" - because our definitions are all we know.

Many Christians, it seems, apply these words to God, but exempt him from those definitions whenever it's inconvenient for them to explain His/Her/It's behavior in their own Holy Book. Of course, they don't follow that reasoning to it's natural conclusion, which is, if God's definition of morality is so different from our "sin-clouded" morality, then neither us atheists, nor Christians, can possibly trust in his behavior - since OUR definition of morality is so different from his "perfect" morality, we can't predict, nor can we judge, what could possibly be "good" from his standards.

Perhaps raping, murdering, and pillaging is GOOD to God - how could we possibly know? After all, Jesus' sacrifice is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of "Justice" as we HUMANS define "justice". What of the OTHER moral definitions and standards we live by? Indeed, in much of the old testament, raping, murdering, and pillaging are not only said to be GOOD by God, they are COMMANDED by God. Seems a pretty good argument to me that these are GOOD acts to God.

Pretty cheezy God these Christians have, no?

Cheers,

The San Diego Atheist

sakrilege

When you think about what Abraham was commanded to do in this respect it is horrifying. This painting by Rembrandt is very expressive to me.

Link to a larger image.

Rousseau_CHN

Everyone agrees with me. How boring!

Tenpudo

Way back in high school I brought this point up with my Christian classmates, to explain why even if I believed the bible was written by a divine being, I would not therefore be compelled to worship It. I was mostly met with blank looks and a general reaction of, "but that's not how it is!"
I just wish at that time that I'd been more familiar with some of the more specific examples I could have used (Abraham, etc.)...