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monkenstick · 07-20-2002, 09:48 PM

well actually its a series of evidences which fall under a general category.

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/</a>

all you do is ask a creationist or IDist to explain the evidence contained in the faq. I've never seen a satisfactory explanation yet. Usually they just change the subject or ignore you.

So any creationists out there - do you have an explanation for this evidence? because ToE has an excellent one

scigirl · 07-20-2002, 09:50 PM

Hello monkenstick and welcome to infidels!

scigirl

Badfish · 07-20-2002, 11:27 PM

Can you explain it Monkenstick? Thats not new evidence.

monkenstick · 07-21-2002, 03:02 AM

certainly I can, very simply. Chimps and Humans share a common ancestor. It explains the evidence perfectly. I know its not new evidence, which makes me wonder why creationists haven't come up with an explanation for it yet?

monkenstick · 07-21-2002, 03:04 AM

addendum: as it adresses more than just chimp and human DNA i'll just add that where-ever homology exists in LINE and ALU repeats and other various bits of junk DNA, the explanation is common descent

Duvenoy · 07-21-2002, 03:30 AM

I am awaiting more results on the 7 myo skull found recently. It's currently gatting a peer review that is short of the Spanish Inqusition only by degree. I was amused and not a little astonished to hear the emminent paolentologist (chuckle), Pat Robertson declare it to be from a female gorilla. From the writings I've seen thus far, this MIGHT be a hominid, transitional fossil. Yet to be proved, of course.

As far as transitional fossils go, there are a wealth of them. Archaopterix (sp?) is probably the best known, but I like the Devonian species of Icthyostega and Acantostega. Links:

<a href="http://www.mdgekko.com/devonian/Order/new-order.html" target="_blank">http://www.mdgekko.com/devonian/Order/new-order.html</a>

<a href="http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/origins/comingonto.html" target="_blank">http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/origins/comingonto.html</a>

And, for something a bit more modern than our Devonian ancestors:

<a href="http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_05.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_05.htm</a>

Good reading.

doov

[ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: Duvenoy ]</p>

07-20-2002, 09:48 PM	#1
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	my favourite piece of evidence for evolution well actually its a series of evidences which fall under a general category. <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/</a> all you do is ask a creationist or IDist to explain the evidence contained in the faq. I've never seen a satisfactory explanation yet. Usually they just change the subject or ignore you. So any creationists out there - do you have an explanation for this evidence? because ToE has an excellent one

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07-20-2002, 09:50 PM	#2
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	Hello monkenstick and welcome to infidels! scigirl

07-20-2002, 11:27 PM	#3
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Can you explain it Monkenstick? Thats not new evidence.

07-21-2002, 03:02 AM	#4
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	certainly I can, very simply. Chimps and Humans share a common ancestor. It explains the evidence perfectly. I know its not new evidence, which makes me wonder why creationists haven't come up with an explanation for it yet?

07-21-2002, 03:04 AM	#5
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	addendum: as it adresses more than just chimp and human DNA i'll just add that where-ever homology exists in LINE and ALU repeats and other various bits of junk DNA, the explanation is common descent

07-21-2002, 03:30 AM	#6
Duvenoy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Just another hick from the sticks. Posts: 1,108	I am awaiting more results on the 7 myo skull found recently. It's currently gatting a peer review that is short of the Spanish Inqusition only by degree. I was amused and not a little astonished to hear the emminent paolentologist (chuckle), Pat Robertson declare it to be from a female gorilla. From the writings I've seen thus far, this MIGHT be a hominid, transitional fossil. Yet to be proved, of course. As far as transitional fossils go, there are a wealth of them. Archaopterix (sp?) is probably the best known, but I like the Devonian species of Icthyostega and Acantostega. Links: <a href="http://www.mdgekko.com/devonian/Order/new-order.html" target="_blank">http://www.mdgekko.com/devonian/Order/new-order.html</a> <a href="http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/origins/comingonto.html" target="_blank">http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/origins/comingonto.html</a> And, for something a bit more modern than our Devonian ancestors: <a href="http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_05.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_05.htm</a> Good reading. doov [ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: Duvenoy ]</p>

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