dk

scigirl: Your idea scigirl: Your idea to set definitions is a good one.
dk: I agree it’s a good idea, but perhaps we should take these definitions one by one, so we can understand one another.
scigirl: What is meant by Christianity? Well that could be a debate all by itself, couldn't it? For the purposes of this discussion, I am calling "Christians" the broad category of all people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God and choose to worship him. Also, a "Christian Church" is another important definition, which I define as an organized group of Christians designed to do things such as worship, and get involved in the community, and are led by a leader or leaders who have some control over the Church's actions or statements. Also, Churches are exempt from some anti-discrimination laws. I distinguish the two because I believe that Christians are rarely acting as a "lone gunman" when they carry out acts of discrimination - they have financial and social backing from their Church.
dk: First Christians have been the focus of government oppression from the beginning. For example, the Roman Republic fed Christians to the lions for the pleasure and entertainment at Coliseums before cheering crowds that would be the envy of many professional city sponsored teams. . While some in the Gay Rights Movement might write this off as good clean fun, no harm no foul, most people would recognize Christians have fought against oppression, and generally the Christian tradition cultivates and inspires great empathy for the oppressed, especially the poor. Second it may surprise you to know but the overwhelming majority of Christian Churches are supported by their members, not visa versa. Even the besieged Catholic schools system was built by poor immigrants, most of which didn’t speak a word of English gave their money to the Church to build schools. Imagine a world where parents to poor to put shoes on their kids feet built churches and schools to escape poverty and oppression. Sadly the history has been lost on a modern secular public school system where secular politicians, judges, social engineers and educrats brag, “You can buy a better education America, but nowhere in the world does anyone pay more”? Oddly enough, most of these ethnic neighborhoods that were made into good homes and neighborhoods by European castoffs were demolished to build secular universities, secular public schools, superhighways, railroads, ghettoes in the sky, subways, bridges and infrastructure under higher municipal authorities. Even today, some of the most historically significant architectural buildings in America are being destroyed by a secular society simply because they were Churches. Go figure, but your egotistical rendition of what it means to be a Christian doesn’t scratch the surface.

KnightWhoSaysNi

The above comments by dk were somehow posted in FDD in response to the debate between scigirl and Geotheo on Does Christianity promote gay and lesbian bigotry? I'm not sure how dk slipped past the moderation there. Regardless, commentary on debates is not permitted in FDD.

I've move his comments here for further discussion.

Jason