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Jimmy Higgins · 01-15-2002, 09:41 AM

<a href="http://www.cleveland.com/education/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/1011090607690215.xml" target="_blank">This is nuts!</a>

Ohio was busy working on their education curriculums for the state, everything was going just ducky. That was until a coup was attempted when John Calvert was allowed to speak, without rebuttal, for 30 minutes on the subject of having ID taught in classrooms as an alternative to evolution. Calvert admitted that no other state promotes ID. He stated, "We're talking about a groundbreaking paradigm here."

Head of the board, Michael Cochran stated, "I think this process has been flawed." Continuing, "It's a fait accompli. There's no diversity with respect to ideas on the science advisory or the writing team." Alluding to the fact that the science advisory who is against ID doesn't have any ID "scientists" on it. With the support of five other board members, Cochran proposed ordering the science standards-writing team to prepare another draft, this one including intelligent design.
"We need to discuss that issue and make sure Ohioans support [science] standards they can all be comfortable with," board member Deborah Owens-Fink said. "I do think this is an opportunity to be on the cutting edge."
Only one board member openly disagreed. "I can't go along with this," Martha Wise said. "Somebody's dreamed up another way of expressing creationism, for heaven's sake." (That sounds familiar)

I believe I.D. should stand for Idiot's Dogma for now on.

sensate · 01-15-2002, 09:59 AM

I am from Kansas so I can identify and sympathize with Ohians right now. I hope they can overcome this blatant creationist attempt to put their religious dogma into public schools under the guise of ID.

We were able to take care of our Board of Education problem in the primaries when we voted most of the stealth creationist out of office(before their science standard changes went into effect). I recommend that voters in Ohio start planning on doing the same.

ecco · 01-15-2002, 10:30 AM

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We need to discuss that issue and make sure Ohioans support [science] standards they can all be comfortable with

Good idea.

Why not poll High School students to find out what level of math they would be comfortable with (my bet would be around 1st year Algebra) and then just teach at that level.

Jimmy Higgins · 01-15-2002, 10:31 AM

I feel that if we allow ID in school for science, we should teach about the New World Order and how the Holocaust never happened in History. Perhaps we can just make everything up!

theyeti · 01-15-2002, 10:37 AM

I'm curious, as always, just what exactly you're supposed to teach about ID? It's a non-theory that explains absolutely nothing whose entire line of argumentation relies on doubting something else. It takes all of 20 seconds to explain.

theyeti

Jimmy Higgins · 01-15-2002, 11:23 AM

The problem that ID really enters into school is the fact that you may state that the universe is Intelligently Designed, however, who designed it?
Of course, that is the trojan horse of the ID.

If they really want to go there, they need to give all the explanations from all religions as to the origin of man. I'm fond of the Hebrew Adam and Eve story. We are made of clay. Yeah! That's it. Some people just can't handle that we are merely "Ducks in the wind."

01-15-2002, 09:41 AM	#1
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	John Calvert strikes in Ohio <a href="http://www.cleveland.com/education/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/1011090607690215.xml" target="_blank">This is nuts!</a> Ohio was busy working on their education curriculums for the state, everything was going just ducky. That was until a coup was attempted when John Calvert was allowed to speak, without rebuttal, for 30 minutes on the subject of having ID taught in classrooms as an alternative to evolution. Calvert admitted that no other state promotes ID. He stated, "We're talking about a groundbreaking paradigm here." Head of the board, Michael Cochran stated, "I think this process has been flawed." Continuing, "It's a fait accompli. There's no diversity with respect to ideas on the science advisory or the writing team." Alluding to the fact that the science advisory who is against ID doesn't have any ID "scientists" on it. With the support of five other board members, Cochran proposed ordering the science standards-writing team to prepare another draft, this one including intelligent design. "We need to discuss that issue and make sure Ohioans support [science] standards they can all be comfortable with," board member Deborah Owens-Fink said. "I do think this is an opportunity to be on the cutting edge." Only one board member openly disagreed. "I can't go along with this," Martha Wise said. "Somebody's dreamed up another way of expressing creationism, for heaven's sake." (That sounds familiar) I believe I.D. should stand for Idiot's Dogma for now on.

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01-15-2002, 09:59 AM	#2
sensate Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 438	I am from Kansas so I can identify and sympathize with Ohians right now. I hope they can overcome this blatant creationist attempt to put their religious dogma into public schools under the guise of ID. We were able to take care of our Board of Education problem in the primaries when we voted most of the stealth creationist out of office(before their science standard changes went into effect). I recommend that voters in Ohio start planning on doing the same.

01-15-2002, 10:31 AM	#4
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	I feel that if we allow ID in school for science, we should teach about the New World Order and how the Holocaust never happened in History. Perhaps we can just make everything up!

01-15-2002, 10:37 AM	#5
theyeti Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 9,747	I'm curious, as always, just what exactly you're supposed to teach about ID? It's a non-theory that explains absolutely nothing whose entire line of argumentation relies on doubting something else. It takes all of 20 seconds to explain. theyeti

01-15-2002, 11:23 AM	#6
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	The problem that ID really enters into school is the fact that you may state that the universe is Intelligently Designed, however, who designed it? Of course, that is the trojan horse of the ID. If they really want to go there, they need to give all the explanations from all religions as to the origin of man. I'm fond of the Hebrew Adam and Eve story. We are made of clay. Yeah! That's it. Some people just can't handle that we are merely "Ducks in the wind."

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